01-14-2008, 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by gtill
I speak of the military facilities, and you and be assured they are taking all precautions with Hazmat materials,
Unfortunately, the military has a deplorable record on tracking hazardous, toxic, and dangerous material. Their own reports give them what amount to an F-. Gee they went on for years about how they absolutely have not ever used depleted uranium shells on the Big Island. Of course, when it was found on Oahu, suddenly they are now saying that yes they did use it on the Big Island. Respective of the danger of depleted uranium shells (that’s in another topic), the fact that they denied something that should have been well known, speaks for their honesty and reliability in telling the truth. FYI, the military has admitted that material sent to H-power may not have been legally allowed. If they are willing to concede even the smallest admission that they did this, what do you really think happened?
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Originally posted by gtill
A small quantity of many toxic substances always has been always will exist. Minimize their releases, but don't ruin an economy and lifestyle over them! Or kill foreward progress, even if it affects your ideals!
But that’s the whole point. What is and is it a small amount? They don’t know and can’t tell.
The bigger issue is this type of incinerator is the very type that many cities, counties and states on the mainland are now banning. H-Power’s fuel source isn’t something revolutionary; it’s been around for decades. The difference is on the mainland, they had those decades to analyze the operation and draw sound environmental and health conclusion. But on Hawaii, some people act like it’s some form of brand new technology and are willing to throw away years of facts for a few kilowatts and reduced landfills.
Gee, even third world countries are abandoning the wholesale incineration of their garbage without some form of source removal of the fuel from everything else. Scott mentioned the operation at Lafarge. Now that’s a form of incineration that is accepted.
Believe me, H-Power is about as low tech and environmentally unsound as you can get. Its time has come and gone, yet on Hawaii, you would think they are comparing it to a laptop versus an adding machine. Talk about some backward people. To get an idea, H-Power currently extracts metals and visible (when inspected) hazardous material from the waste stream. Now think about all the items (residential, commercial, industrial, and military) that are dumped into the garbage stream each day. How many batteries, drugs, chemical fertilizers, insecticides, computers, human body parts, dogs, goats, cleaning fluids, oils, hair spray, beer, human excrement, toner, lead paint, bile, arsenic, lye, condoms, tampons, treated lumber, brake fluid, chlorine, plastics 1-6, drain cleaner, recalled toys from China, and so on. Do you really think people only throw away clean garbage?
But the biggest point of discussion is:
Would you be willing to sign a petition to have the incinerator for the east side of the BI built next to your home?