11-18-2008, 01:53 PM
Once again Rbakker you continue to question the source of information while making statements you know nothing about.
"it sure beats the old fashioned way" ? What is your experience in food production? How long have you been growing food?
I have researched the pros and cons of GMOs for the past 2 years and there are just too many references to list in one post.
Therefore I will refere you to:WWW.responsibletechnology.org Check outthe work of Jeffrey Smith. He is not a scientists but has compiled and collaborated the works, studies and findings of the international community pertaining to GMOs. This includes FDA internal memos released through the Freedom Of Information Act.
Perhaps your'e not familiar with scientists as : Dr. Mae Wan Ho (geneticist), Dr. D. Bellamy (biologist), Dr. T. Cox (geneticist), Dr. D. Ehrenfeld (biologist/ecologist) Dr. Vladamir Zajac (oncovirologist/geneticist),
Dr. Brian Hursey, Prof. Ruth Hubbard (geneticist-Harvard), Prof. Gilles-eric Seralini( molecular biochemist), Dr. D. Suzuki and over 80 other scientists, profesors, farmers and other well learned and experienced people have all come together from the four corners of the Earth to make an offical stance against the unregulated, unchecked release of these manipulated organisms. Check: www.i-sis.org. This is the Institute for Science in Society
Rbakker you obviously don't know the difference between selective breeding and GMO technology. I suggest you do that homework yourself as I already tried to explain in simple terms the difference to you.
Nobody is mad at you Rbakker, just those that plant and perpetuate lies to the public. I seriously suggest you do a non-biased search for information on this subject, then weigh differences. The United Nations has a web site @ www.fao.org.
The UN website has two pages listing the benefits of GMO's versus the risks. It is simple logic that if the risks of a particular venture outweighs the benefits, then that venture needs to be abandodned until such risks are addressed and rectified.
What many proponents of GMOs don't seem to get is that you cannot disrupt or take away a human being's way of life that works for them and does not hurt others simply for the sake of new venture. If ever there was a grandfather clause needed it is in the area of organic, natural life. It must be protected. Organic farming and GMOs cannot and will not coincide for very long.
A study done by PurdueUniversity found that in salmon populations it would only take 40 generations for a group of 60 GMO salmon to outbreed a natural population of 60,000! One does not need to be a botanist to realize that with cross pollination GMOs will spread even faster, even to other species.
When you speak of the GMO papaya here in Hawaii there are many misconceptions as to how the RSV or ring spot virus came to be so devastating. Before there were GMOs, our Earth suffered from decades of abuse through chemical fertilizers and mono-cropping. Put those two together and you have a situation ripe for disease and pathogens.
Poor soil health is what killed the papaya industry and the GMO situation distracts us from that fact. Why do you think even though the big commercial mono-croppers suffered yet organic, natural varieties continued to flourish here?
If you, Rbakker are looking for exaples of GMOs gone wrong, look at the Mexican corn, look at Vioxx, Tryptophan, Morgellon's disease, and the developement of prions. Prions are improperly folded proteins which eventually effect other healthy protiens. The end result is holes in the brain. Prions can form when unpredictable changes or mutations to DNA occur.
I really urge everyone out there to embrace this beautiful planet we have and all it's abundance. GMOs willnever solve world hunger as long as severe poverty and wealth, hunger and obeisity live on the same block. Nature does't need fixing, people's minds do.
"it sure beats the old fashioned way" ? What is your experience in food production? How long have you been growing food?
I have researched the pros and cons of GMOs for the past 2 years and there are just too many references to list in one post.
Therefore I will refere you to:WWW.responsibletechnology.org Check outthe work of Jeffrey Smith. He is not a scientists but has compiled and collaborated the works, studies and findings of the international community pertaining to GMOs. This includes FDA internal memos released through the Freedom Of Information Act.
Perhaps your'e not familiar with scientists as : Dr. Mae Wan Ho (geneticist), Dr. D. Bellamy (biologist), Dr. T. Cox (geneticist), Dr. D. Ehrenfeld (biologist/ecologist) Dr. Vladamir Zajac (oncovirologist/geneticist),
Dr. Brian Hursey, Prof. Ruth Hubbard (geneticist-Harvard), Prof. Gilles-eric Seralini( molecular biochemist), Dr. D. Suzuki and over 80 other scientists, profesors, farmers and other well learned and experienced people have all come together from the four corners of the Earth to make an offical stance against the unregulated, unchecked release of these manipulated organisms. Check: www.i-sis.org. This is the Institute for Science in Society
Rbakker you obviously don't know the difference between selective breeding and GMO technology. I suggest you do that homework yourself as I already tried to explain in simple terms the difference to you.
Nobody is mad at you Rbakker, just those that plant and perpetuate lies to the public. I seriously suggest you do a non-biased search for information on this subject, then weigh differences. The United Nations has a web site @ www.fao.org.
The UN website has two pages listing the benefits of GMO's versus the risks. It is simple logic that if the risks of a particular venture outweighs the benefits, then that venture needs to be abandodned until such risks are addressed and rectified.
What many proponents of GMOs don't seem to get is that you cannot disrupt or take away a human being's way of life that works for them and does not hurt others simply for the sake of new venture. If ever there was a grandfather clause needed it is in the area of organic, natural life. It must be protected. Organic farming and GMOs cannot and will not coincide for very long.
A study done by PurdueUniversity found that in salmon populations it would only take 40 generations for a group of 60 GMO salmon to outbreed a natural population of 60,000! One does not need to be a botanist to realize that with cross pollination GMOs will spread even faster, even to other species.
When you speak of the GMO papaya here in Hawaii there are many misconceptions as to how the RSV or ring spot virus came to be so devastating. Before there were GMOs, our Earth suffered from decades of abuse through chemical fertilizers and mono-cropping. Put those two together and you have a situation ripe for disease and pathogens.
Poor soil health is what killed the papaya industry and the GMO situation distracts us from that fact. Why do you think even though the big commercial mono-croppers suffered yet organic, natural varieties continued to flourish here?
If you, Rbakker are looking for exaples of GMOs gone wrong, look at the Mexican corn, look at Vioxx, Tryptophan, Morgellon's disease, and the developement of prions. Prions are improperly folded proteins which eventually effect other healthy protiens. The end result is holes in the brain. Prions can form when unpredictable changes or mutations to DNA occur.
I really urge everyone out there to embrace this beautiful planet we have and all it's abundance. GMOs willnever solve world hunger as long as severe poverty and wealth, hunger and obeisity live on the same block. Nature does't need fixing, people's minds do.