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All that free observing time and millions annually has amounted to how many Native Hawaiian Astronomy careers on Mauna Kea thus far?
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Maybe not many ever applied or desired to.
Are you trying to say that applications and degrees and careers should be based upon race or ethnic background instead of desire and merit?
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Originally posted by MarkD
Gypsy you have an extraordinary capacity to compel other writers into spending huge amounts of time responding to you. I have never seen anything like it.
What is strange is that even though several commentators repeatedly assert that they hate your opinions, it almost seems like they enjoy engaging with you.
It isn't strange at all.
Most of us are responding to the repeated lies because we know that there are people, who when exposed to repeated lies, will start believing them. If we don't respond with facts, the chance exists that the lies may be believed and perpetuated.
Leilanidude.
I was trying to ask you how the many years of annual free observing time that's been given and millions of dollars over the past 20-50 years benefited the native Hawaiians to become Astronomers? Or How many Native Hawaiians have become astronomers over the past 50 years because of those annual benefits you write so highly of?
How many Astronomers currently work on Mauna Kea in total? How many are Native Hawaiian from the Big Island or state for that matter?
How many astronomers will be needed to keep the TMT operational?
How many years has the TMT been under planning to this point in time, maybe 25 years now?
Where will these high paying astronomer's be moving here from if they are not from Hawaii? Wondering, if all those astronomer's coming from afar had as much free observing time and millions annually when they were once students at their Universities.
Being a White Male from a foreign country might serve one better today to become an astronomer. Maybe the millions our universities of UHH and UH are recieving annually would be better spent by sending their Native Hawaiians interested in astronomy to say the U.K or Canada Universities. They may have a better shot of becoming an astronomer who will be able to work back home on Mauna Kea. jmo
Still waiting for your many archived articles of Native Hawaiian success stories of becoming an astronomer from UHH or UH?
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How many Native Hawaiians have become astronomers over the past 50 years because of those annual benefits
Confused. I thought the "Native Hawaiians" wanted their "stolen" lands returned to them?
becoming an astronomer who will be able to work back home on Mauna Kea.
If telescopes aren't allowed, no astronomy jobs "back home".
Leilanidude.
23 out of 89 students from Pahoa high's graduating class last year were going to college, that's a record from an outstanding class of students. How many of them do you think were going to an off "island" university?
UHH may graduate less than 50% of the students who enroll in their University.
Pahoa high's freshman classes every year may have more students who drop out sometime during their 4 years of high school than the number of students that graduate and go on to college from that class.
I bring Pahoa high up because it's a local high school with more Hawaiian students than H.P.A or some other island high schools. Sadly, More Male students from Pahoa high want or dream to become hair stylists and cops rather than go on to college.
With The Astronomy capital of the world sitting right on top of the native Hawaiians sacred mountain. And With Millions of dollars and free observing time annually given to these area students, this is the type of educational opportunities that many of Pahoa's native Hawaiian and local students are receiving today.
Where does the state of Hawaii's public school student education rank nationally? Where does Pahoa High school rank in our state of Hawaii? Where does America's education rank in the world these days?
If the Big Island is to get away from the importing oil for their electricity needs where would the Electricity come from?
Would the Geothermal power plant in lower Puna be needing to produce more or less electricity for this to happen?
Would the TMT be needing any Electricity? How much electricity a month or year would they be needing?
Helco, PGV and the TMT projects are all rubbing each other's backs through this 25 year TMT, PGV planning process because they all need each other. Meanwhile many local and native Hawaiian students from Puna continue to fall through the cracks and get the shaft because they are not needed enough by these million or billion dollar suppressors. jmo's
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Pahoa high's freshman classes every year may have more students who drop out sometime during their 4 years of high school than the number of students that graduate and go on to college from that class.
You've answered your own question gypsy.
There are so few Hawaiian astronomers not because the university is keeping them out of the program, it's the students keeping themselves out of the program.
Stay in school kids. It's the only way to become an astronomer.
High school diploma. College diploma. Masters degree. PhD.
If by your own estimation gypsy, more than 50% of Pahoa High School kids don't stay in school for 4 years and drop out, how many of the remaining students will attend 8 more years of college? Specifically in the study of astronomy, out of all the possible fields they can choose to work in?
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HOTPE,
"I don't know for certain, but TomK may be able to tell us whether the entire TMT dome and telescope can move across the sky in 6 minutes or less in order to track the satellites you imagine it will follow."
I'm certain there's no way the TMT would be able to move fast enough to track a satellite in low earth orbit. A few months ago we tried to track a few LEO objects and it was very difficult, even on a much smaller 4-m class telescope. The orbital information changes rapidly so just accurately acquiring such an object can take a few minutes, so you need a wide-field camera and track blindly. The TMT isn't designed for wide-field work, so even if it could move fast enough it wouldn't be able to acquire the object.
In any case, what would be the point of the TMT doing this kind of work? LEO objects are bright and easily visible in much smaller and more maneuverable telescopes. They would also likely be far too bright for the TMT and saturate the detectors.
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Would the Geothermal power plant in lower Puna be needing to produce more or less electricity for this to happen?
If the TMT were powered entirely by solar panels, would that change anything?
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In any case, what would be the point of the TMT doing this kind of work?
gypsy has the fever brained jmo that the TMT will track satellites for the Chinese, among other things. If the TMT cannot even move fast enough to track a satellite, everyone on planet earth except gypsy will realize it's impossible.
He'll no doubt post again about TMT foreign military satellite survailence abilities a little later this evening. Or tomorrow.
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Gypsy-- you answered your own question in the statement that most local males do not want to go to college, but instead aspire to be in law enforcement or hair styling and not achieve a higher education to become astronomers, engineers, etc.. The only shaft they get is what they ask for in not wanting to achieve a higher goal in life for themselves.
As far as PGV as a possibility of getting away from oil, you betcha. The infrastructure is in place, the State is comfortable with it, so they probably will downplay anything else, unfortunately as the government is entrenched in their "good ole boy" network and they don't like "newcomers".
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