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(05-10-2022, 09:03 PM)HereOnThePrimalEdge Wrote: i gather Mauna Kea a more sacred place.
Sacredness is a sliding scale?
LOL. Absolutely. How much are you willing to pay?
Seriously, religous matters are beyond reproach therefore not subject for debate. Come on, man!
it appears to me that Kamehameha has a management plan that will improve Keauhou bay, new resort notwithstanding.
Perhaps TMT should hire them to come up with a plan for facilitating a new telescope on Mauna Kea.
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Tourism is the only religion that matters.
Kamehameha owns the land at Keauhou bay.
Curious to see how this turns out.
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Sacredness is always on a sliding scale. Take Jerusalem vs Tel Aviv, Mecca vs Riyadh, etc. Keauhou Bay isn't the Mauna. I just read today that they are including 150 resort something-or-others in the plan.
Certainty will be the death of us.
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05-12-2022, 04:06 AM
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Sacredness is always on a sliding scale.
Humans add the gray areas:
God - Thou shalt not kill
People - Well you got yer first degree murder, yer second degree murder, and of course yer manslaughter… then of course killing the enemy in war doesn’t count at all.
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Gods probably don't exist.
If they do exist, apparently they don't give a sh*t about telescopes on the mountain, Queen Ka'ahumanu banning the Hawaiian religion, or the overthrow.
The mountain should be renamed after someone that didn't rape his own daughter.
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Okay, I'll bite. To which mountain are you referring? Mauna Kea means White Mountain. Mauna Loa means Long Mountain. Haleakala means House of the Sun.
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This thread helps me understand why the Happy Easter thread has 95 views but only two posts.
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Mauna Kea is also referred to as Mauna o Wākea, named after the deity Wākea that created the islands. Wākea having children with his own daughter is part of the Hawaiian creation story. From Wikipedia:
"After Wākea committed incest with his daughter, Ho’ohokukalani, she gave birth to Haloa-naka-lau-kapalili, meaning trembling long stalk.[4] It was a stillborn baby, which they later planted and became the first kalo or taro, a staple of the Hawaiian diet. After Haloa-naka, Ho’ohokukalani gave birth to another child named Haloa, meaning long stalk, and he became the first kanaka or Hawaiian person."
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I stand corrected. I didn't know the Wakea legend.
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Some of the protesters I've talked with (younger folks, in person) referred to the mountain as Mauna o Wākea, but none knew the creation story. It really made me doubt their claims about religious convictions etc. They didn't know lake Waiau, didn't know the religion was outlawed by Kam I's wife, didn't know they were spreading BS about nuclear powered telescopes and aquifer pollution, on and on...
I think some good intentioned people got hornswoggled by a few sovereignty nuts, and are fighting the wrong fight.
