Graham Ellis is the worst kind of hypocrite. At this point, I don't care what it takes to displace him, as long as the job gets done. If sending the DLNR after him does the trick, then so be it. Personally, I've placed calls with a few agencies over the past few years... not the least of which was the DEA. It's time we opened our eyes to the reality that this person is a very self-serving individual who preys on the painfully, obviously weak-minded who follow him. Congratulations John Holley on making an accurate report and seeing through Graham's sad ploy to deter you from making your observations. Graham and co.... clowns, every last one of them.
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I've placed calls with a few agencies over the past few years... not the least of which was the DEA.
Yeah, they got right on that, didn't they?
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He did Rob, he congratulated John Holley for his accurate reporting, right?
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This is all dreadfully one-sided.
I really don't appreciate being called "painfully, obviously weak-minded." Yes, I support Graham, the children's circus, the farmer's market. Duh. When it looks like you're doing something for the community, I'll support you too!
What. The. Hell.
People living on acres that have been bull-dozed free of 'Ohi'a are "shocked, shocked I say" to see Graham and his fellow land-owners living in an 'Ohi'a forest, and using locally-harvested wood to build their houses. I can't find the statute that prevents people from cutting down 'Ohi'a. I can't even find any reference to 'Ohi'a being somehow protected, except in the Kalopa State Park.
Whatever happened to civility, or "innocent until proven guilty." A state official has accused Graham of cutting down trees on state land. The accusation may or may not be valid. We haven't yet heard from Graham or anyone within VGS yet. I don't think they even have a copy of the report that was mentioned in that article.
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Terry way, whatever did happen to civility? I'm afraid it's sometimes considered a sign of weakness. Wrong. More like a sign of strong carachter.
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In any discussion where something is called sustainable, I have to ask, sustainable for who or what? Maybe you can argue that poaching live trees from the public land next door is more sustainable for you, but for the forest, not so much.
It's my understanding that ohias grow very slowly and the amount of ohia forest has shrank dramatically throughout the entire island chain. Pine, fir and other woods from the mainland are probably much more sustainable to build with, even when you factor in the transport, since they grow much faster over a large geographic area, and are even farmed for timber.
There are also many other building materials you could use here if you wanted to have less of an impact on the environment (ie bamboo etc.)
There are always adds on Craigslist for ohia logs from where somebody cleared a lot up mauka. My point is if your primary goal is to be kind to the environment and be good community members, taking down a patch of old growth forest that belongs to everybody is probably not the first thing you would do.
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Has anybody commenting here ever even seen the Ohia in the Seaview area? That is a very recent lava flow, 1955 according to my map, so the people who are calling that "old growth" forest have a very flexible definition of old growth. There is a narrow kipuka along one side of Seaview, and some treed areas between Seaview and Kalani, but even that is not what most people would define as "old growth." Yes, ohia grow very slowly, but how many of the people pointing fingers here are living on lots where no ohia were killed to build their homes?
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Well, I'm no scientist, but if you take a look at the ones they used to build space you can see they're a whole lot bigger than the trees most people have in Seaview. I suspect that's because there's some older lava there in that kipuka on the state land. Older than Seaview, older than Kehena. Actually from the little dot there on my old soils map it looks older than anything else around there. That's what makes it such a shame.
