HPP Board 2014

[Nhb]

We will soon find out the out come of the fired employes with the lawsuit . Just think if they did some of the things that this new board says they did don't you think they would have been arrested already this board has lied to the association.

[TomK]

Posted by mermaid53:

"Carol and Tom, you have some good points. Cabal was used by a previous poster and it perfectly describes what's going on here with this opposition group to the new Board. I think this new board had very good reasons to fire these people. [...]"

I take it from that comment the "cabal" are the fired workers. I'm having difficulty reading it any other way.

[Frank]

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Originally posted by csgray

Show where in HPPOA public records I am shown to be wrong based on facts. Oh right, you can't because there are none!

edited to add: I was at the first meeting after the firings where board members talked over members when they tried to talk, cut them off after less than 3 minutes and generally spoke every time they wanted to.
Carol

Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Polish Proverb

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bold by me
just to keep things on the up and up...

quote:Originally posted by csgray

The web site says the meeting is cancelled due to the storm.

There is also a diatribe from the 8th district board member, who didn't even sign her name to it, I had to look it up, accusing the membership of being unreasonable for wanting to speak to the board at the "special meeting" they called last week. She (McLean) is the one whose husband was hired as acting GM and has been MIA during this tough time.

MORGAN HERE: Just as a point of clarification, Terry Mclean and Jo Maynard (VP) are not paid employees. They are working volunteers (unpaid) until a new Manager is hired. Terry was not MIA during the aftermath of Iselle. He was out with the crew on the roads the entire time.

I don't understand why they could have a 20 minute special meeting one week, and then cancel the regular meeting for this week, claiming both actions are due to the storm. This makes no logical sense, but makes it look like they are avoiding the membership who are understandably angry about the way this board conducts itself.

I hear they also fired all the road workers and are hiring temps instead, which is why the equipment just sat in the yard while volunteers used their personal equipment to clear the roads. In addition, the HUI has 2 big generators and could have been up and running to provide aid and shelter for HPP residents, instead of us all having to drive to other, smaller, subdivisions to get ice, water and charge phones. Helco told me they would have moved those downed lines to provide access if asked, but since the office and HUI were closed anyway they didn't bother.

MORGAN: The only road employee that was fired was the road supervisor. One employee went to another job which left 3 workers. The temps are here until more workers can be hired. Applications are being filled out. The generators were stolen awhile back, so we have no generators. And it was Civil Defense that wouldn't allow anyone to cross the wires at the gate.

Carol

Edited by - msky on 08/21/2014 11:33:06

[csgray]

Tom,
No, or virtually no, employees of HPP live in the Park, so they are not members and cannot be part of the "cabal". I think the implication is they are former board members replaced by the "new" board.

Carol

Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Polish Proverb

[TomK]

Carol - maybe I'm reading the comment I quoted differently, but I don't see how a new board can fire the old one. I understand what you are saying, but am now really puzzled about the term "these people".

[flyingsurfer]

csgray
You did not answer my questions. Have you read the HPPOA records? No facts or no records.

[TomK]

Flyingsurfer:

What is this supposed to mean?

"Have you read the HPPOA records? No facts or no records."

Does this mean there are no records or no facts, or something else? If you mean there are records then post a link to them or say how we can find them. But your post suggests no records are available.

Jeez, this is like dealing with a crass version of Sir Humphrey.

[TomK]

Just for fun - Sir Humphrey Appleby:

http://youtu.be/cEo8sjnU8Jo

[Tom.Yost]

Snitz needs a like button.
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[csgray]

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Originally posted by flyingsurfer

csgray
You did not answer my questions. Have you read the HPPOA records? No facts or no records.

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The new board has posted no minutes, no record of motions made, amendments or motions passed since they were seated. So there is no "official" record of any of their actions for the association members to examine, months after they were seated and months after the firings. This really leaves those of us who want to understand what happened in the dark. I have asked both the board president and my district rep to provide a simple timeline of meetings (public and closed), motions, and actions leading up to the firings and take over of operations on through to the first members meeting, not including any confidential employee information. Not only have they not provided that, neither of them even had the courtesy to respond, leaving me to wonder if they have something to hide.

This board probably did not set out to break the law, or maybe even to fire the employees, but they did and the entire subdivision is living with the consequences. That was very plain during the aftermath of the storm, look at how people from HPP had to go to other subdivisions for ice, water, and information. We were the largest subdivision to be hammered by the storm, with thousands of people impacted, and the HPP board did nothing to facilitate getting help for the members until they started handing out a little ice and water after most of the subdivision had power again. Compare that with the services that other Associations arranged for their subdivisions.

I do not care if the board members and their spouses who are now running the show are being paid or are volunteers, they should not be involved in day to day operations, especially money handling. The whole purpose of boards is to set policy and provide oversight, not operations, not run things. If they are running things there can be no effective oversight, because you cannot police yourself. I had no opinion on this board when they were seated, certainly most people were in a wait and see mode, but within days of being seated their actions were so drastic and so far reaching that I can only wonder if they already had a plan in place before being seated. Otherwise it would seem they acted in haste and have been in a defensive posture ever since. Perhaps the minutes would show otherwise, but again, those are not being made available to the public.

I've served on boards, we were always given draft minutes at the following meeting to correct and approve, they were then publicly posted. Approving the minutes was always the first order of business. The failure of this board to do even such a simple thing does not give me much confidence in them being able to actually do what they were elected to do.

I realize some of you are friends of these people, but those of us who only know them by their actions have only their actions to judge them by. I did not know any of the last board, I don't know this board, but I do know the interests of the HPPOA are not being well served at this time.

edited to fix a typo
Carol

Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Polish Proverb