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Originally posted by TomK
Even if all the hurdles are overcome and the TMT project is still feasible here, we'll be back to protests and road blocks on Mauna Kea.
Maybe this time they will get some cops up there who will unceremoniously haul them off to jail instead of crying and apologizing for having to arrest them. Also, the Attorney General should admonish Mitch Roth to pursue some serious charges. Reckless endangerment come to mind for those who put rocks on the road.
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Maybe this time they will get some cops... who will unceremoniously haul them off to jail
Everyone has been given ample opportunity to express their views on the TMT issue and Mauna Kea. Over and over and over... I believe we are at the tipping point in the approval process, now, finally, where actions by the fringiest of the fringe will be treated as such.
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the Attorney General should admonish Mitch Roth to pursue some serious charges
Sure. Right after Ige strikes all the "native Hawaiian" language from the HRS.
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This still isn't really about a telescope.
Its about the sovereignty movement. And without a consensus on what that may be.
And the TMT is the sacrificial lamb for the cause. A flashpoint to bring attention to it.
Because all by itself a plain protest for Native Rights won't ruffle any feathers or do much for the cause.
But All of it is backfiring.
Its an ill conceived plan and its just sad that a Noble effort like the TMT has to suffer because of it.
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Chunkster,
"Reckless endangerment come to mind for those who put rocks on the road."
I would certainly support that. When rocks were rolled onto the summit access road, a rock road block was also placed higher up the mountain, preventing people at the summit from reaching lower altitudes. All of us who work at the summit are trained to spot altitude sickness and how to deal with it. The victim rarely knows anything is wrong (it's why we use a buddy system) and the only effective treatment is to return to lower altitudes, preferably sea-level and a hospital. It can also happen to anyone, even if they've worked at altitude for years.
Acute altitude sickness is life-threatening. By preventing or delaying a victim from reaching lower altitudes, you might cause their death. Reckless endangerment seems to be the least possible charge in that situation.
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This still isn't really about a telescope.
Its about the sovereignty movement. And without a consensus on what that may be.
Agree. So-called indigenous peoples periodically need to make a statement. Exercise of power. Sometimes the issues are highly appropriate--certain cases on the mainland where outside forces have improperly infringed on tribal lands.
Sometimes issues are less appropriate. Sometimes not appropriate at all.
TMT issue seems to be pretty far down the list--but I am ambivalent about exactly where to place it.
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http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/news/loca...earing-set
Today the State Board of Land and Natural Resources (BLNR) set Wednesday, Sept. 20 to hear oral arguments in the contested case hearing for the Thirty Meter Telescope
Almost two months from now -- pretty fast for State.
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^Indeed. Just look at what's happening in West Papua. That's a forced struggle with a the brutal indonesian Government committing acts of genocide against the indigenous people. All for the exploitation of the country's rich resources. Makes protesting against a telescope look ridiculous.IMO
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"Almost two months from now -- pretty fast for State."
Maybe so, but then the question becomes how long will the BLNR hearing really take, and how long will it be for them to make a "final" decision? It's only at that point, if the BLNR rules in TMT's favor, that the process of reapplying for permits can start. I'm sure the TMT has all that in hand already, but once applications are submitted, it'll be out of their hands.
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Social media sites are lit up with people trying to rouse protesters again -- and they are happily accepting non-hawaiians if their attitude is right but **** the greedy haoles if not. Based on what I've been reading there's going to be many screaming audience members to try and drown out any TMT support when the 19 or so petitioners give yet another set of emotional arguments about their new found religious temple. It's going to be another ****show.
