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Originally posted by dirk1609
Yurtgirl:
Most of these DEAD BEAT owners are not going to even look for their missing dog better yet pay a fine to get it back. The people that would look for their dog and pay the fine are not the problem.
What is the difference between a owner replacing a dead dog or a owner replacing a dog that is too expensive to get back from the pound? That remedy creates two dogs, one dog that is still a problem and one dog that we all get to pay for at the pound that sooner or later gets adopted or euthanized. One dead dog being replaced creates one dog (the replacement dog) and ONE LESS (the dead dog) ON THE ISLAND! This island could really do with about a quarter of the dogs that currently ruin it.
When our goverment takes 3+ year to do a couple miles of freeway, I assume the dog fixing idea would take a decade and is VERY low priority.
As I have said before, its a F$#@ING nightmare!
Dirk, I'm not trying to steam you further on the issue, but I'm not sure I understand your math here. Dogs come from somewhere, but it isn't through moving them from one place to another or by holding them and requiring a fine for their release... As for the people that would pay the fine not being the problem, I respectfully disagree. Without a penalty then why should people contain their animals? Most of us humans aren't as perceptive as we'd like to think, unfortunately. Sometimes people need to learn lessons by a bit of an "OUCH". Kind of like speeding, we know we shouldn't, that it could be dangerous but, "I'm late", or, "why not?" or we just weren't PAYING ATTENTION. Pardon the crude analogy...
And while I understand that you have little faith in many human's regarding their dogs, and rightly so it would seem, I think that you might be surprised by the reactions of many in regards to their pets, whether we agree with the way they care for them or not. Regardless, just so I'm clear, what is the alternative 'solution' you suggest? Just keep shooting them? I propose that the method of capture/fine/license/microchip, etc. is what is currently used and working in many neighborhoods world wide in keeping control of a potential "...(*bleeping*) nightmare. Does it prevent all cases, no. But it gives a neighborhood some way to actually hold lousy pet owners responsible and deal with the cause instead of an ongoing effect. We are talking about neighborhoods, right? Many houses, all relatively close together sharing the same streets? Just want to clarify, it seems like it would be jumping the gun to start to consider extremely rural areas without a decent way in place to deal with more populated areas.
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Yurtgirl,
I have edited my previous post to hopefully make it more clear as to what I was trying to say. It still seems pretty wordy, but I tend to do that. My thought processes don't always translate in writing very well.
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I'm guessing most of you wouldn't shoot or slug bait the horse, right?
There might be circumstances where I would shoot a horse. One example would be one that chronically gets out on the roadway endangering motorists and attempts to catch it have failed, or due to weather or lighting, combined with traffic and the horses panicked actions, it could become necessary. It happens to cattle around here several times a year. I know of a crash several years ago where a couple died when crashing into horses loose on the foad at night. I sure wouldn't starve or let a horse be starved. That is cruel. Generally the agency in charge of animal control or the police will seize the horse, charge the owner, and either adopt out the horse, if salvagable, or put it down if not. You generally get a much better response from the authorities when cruelty to horses is involved that you do with them dealing with dog issues.
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Yes, I 'guessed' that most would not kill the horse because of the large amount of decomposing flesh factor, but best not to assume! Thanks for the clarification Dirk, it sure can be tricky to put our thoughts into words that convey what we actually mean, especially in this kind of venue, emoticons only go so far! And thanks for the article Damon, hmmm and yikes... Ideally one would call the humane society on this, I agree. I think they'd put her down though. I'm hoping some renegade lassoes her, takes her home and feeds her plenty, deworms her and takes good care of her... but if it goes much further she'd probably be better off to be put out of her misery.
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Originally posted by dirk1609
I have tried taking to owners
I have tried calling the police
I have given up on some aspects of gardening
I have given up on raising poultry
I have picked up lots of garbage spread over a acre
I have tried tossing rocks at dogs in the yard to keep them out
I have tried building a rock wall and gate at the front of my property to keep them out
I have tried spraying loose dogs that come at me with pepper spray
I have to accept that neighbors dogs are one of the reasons our great neighbor has a for sale sign in front of her home.
Have you tried calling the Animal Control office? Have you tried to see if they'd loan you a trap?
Not trying to antagonize, just trying to help you out in the ugly situation you're got on your hands.
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Originally posted by YurtGirl
Yes, I 'guessed' that most would not kill the horse because of the large amount of decomposing flesh factor, but best not to assume! ......And thanks for the article Damon, hmmm and yikes...
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In some posts it is clear that the poster is refering to all dogs as pets. My dog is a pet. She sleeps on my bed at night. Clearly, not all dogs in Hawaii or the world at large are pets. I often see properties with dogs tied out or doghouses at the far corners of the property. These dogs are boobytraps, not pets. They could not serve the role that their owners have chosen for them unless they are antisocial and dangerous. It is not possible to achieve a true understanding of the situation when the term pet is used indiscriminately.
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people have dogs for different reasons,and those reasons are legit in the owners mind. I suggest any of you that have problems with your neighbors dogs to say something to your neighbor.
Laying "snail bait" is a straight up coward's move. If I ever caught someone trying to poison my dogs....Lord have mercy! Hey people Dogs bark, that's what they do!!!! Mind you if my dogs keep barking in the middle of the night I will get up to check what problem is. But in no way am I gonna punish my dogs for barking. My dogs bark for several reasons, pigs on the property, intruders, or centipedes,birds. Now if I punish my dogs for barking then they won't bark at intruders. Then these rippers will feel they have a free pass to my property.
For the majority of you who are posting here on this subject you must be careful. Hurting a local's dog is taking your life into your own hands. They may appear to you as just dogs tied up to their dog houses on the side of their owners property. Gettting neither love or attention. But do something to those dogs, or say something to their owners and then you run the risk of turning your new found paradise into a living hell!!
Now as far as dogs running loose. I have two thoughts on that. If you know where dogs are on the loose, avoid that area!!! Now what's so hard about that? To me that's the simple solution, and really the best way to go. Why start a confrontation?
I'm simply amazed with the new residents to Hawaii who are constantly whining about things they aren't use to. Keep in my folk, you are the guest of the aina here. How do you think the indigenous people feel? They could really complain, their whole world has been literally turned upside down! You think Puna is great & beautiful now, imagine it 30 years ago before all the mainland arrivals came! Think about all the "crap" that the indigenous people had to deal with. For the most part the local people have put up with all the nonsense that the new arrivals bring. With the exception of a few out burst here and there. It's pretty under control right now, but that could all change at the drop of a dime.
Bottomline:
Indigenous people have dogs. Dogs for hunting, and dogs for guarding one's property, and a lot of barking is what they do. If you don't like it. I suggest getting some ear plugs. But say something or do something to that Indigenous Family about their pet and you run the risk of turning your paradise into a living hell!
Life is truly to short to worry about dogs barking or frogs crocking!
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Now as far as dogs running loose. I have two thoughts on that. If you know where dogs are on the loose, avoid that area!!! Now what's so hard about that? To me that's the simple solution, and really the best way to go. Why start a confrontation?
Its pretty hard to avoid the dogs coming into my yard, even my lanai....and I'm pretty sure locals get pissed off at stray dogs coming on their property too!
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In some posts it is clear that the poster is refering to all dogs as pets. My dog is a pet. She sleeps on my bed at night.
One of my dogs must stay outside...he marks his territory in the house[xx(] and cannot be around my cats,and likes to roam ( he especially likes the lady dogs next door!)- so I chain him up outside. He definitely is our pet, he gets tons of attention and love, we just can't have him in the house. My other dog has full run of the house and sleeps in my sons bed...
Those roaming stray dogs most often are someones pet, they probably have some degree of attachment...having to pay a fine to get the dog back once it is caught is a decent solution that might help....there just has to be a reliable organization to help catch the dogs, and a place to put the dogs....which I don't think we have here -yet.
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Yurtgirl,
If I were you I would call animal control and ask what their procedure is re: horse. If it is a humane solution (not death), I would call them pronto regarding the starvation issue. The owners sound extremely irresponsible/poor/drugged.
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