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"If there's lava across the road; what difference does it make tunnel or roundabout?"
At the risk of stating the obvious: with a tunnel you have to dig into the lava and with a roundabout you don't.
I must be missing something here.
Uh oh, here comes the argument that everyone else is too dumb to use roundabouts. There are dumb people everywhere, and they seem to get along just fine with roundabouts all over the world. Really, they're not that complicated. Just put a Yield sign at every entrance.
I don't see how a roundabout would slow down an evacuation either.
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When would you propose getting into or atop the lava Paul? While its red hot? In either case I don't see the point, such reconstruction should lava end up in that area would most likely mean a large reduction in the population due to major devestation. Years would go by before things ever got back to normal. We're talking about the possible destruction of Pahoa before it hits the highway in that area.
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Punafish? I'm all FOR a roundbout at the top of Kawailani and Komohana as a BigIsland "test"-case....
....but will fight to the death the idea of such circuitous insanity being tested first at the death-trap intersections in Pahoa.
TWICE in the last week alone I stopped to help someone who'd been hit on the corner of Kahakai Blvd.... waited til the Police arrived. NEITHer incident would have happened, had there been a Traffic Light.
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Malolo... A light would serve a far better remedy than a roundabout in pahoa you are correct. I've used them (roundabouts)in the past on the mainland and they are fine if placed in the right situation. When they are placed in the wrong area, they will create accidents and that area of Pahoa is beyond the wrong situation for a roundabout. We'll be seeing perhaps multiple accidents per day after it's finished, of that, I've no doubt. What will prove to be the worst part is this... it will stop all traffic in all directions dead halt. That is something the DOT did not consider as that is the downfall of a round about. Every direction will be crippled. Wait and see, never before will the folks of Pahoa been so screwed over when the accidents happen within that roundabout.
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Verrry good point, Wao nahele kane.
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Russell?
Are you listening?
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Typically roundabouts are not placed in the only means of egress for an entire region of thousands of people. There's no backing up and going around on side streets in this case and we're talking thousands of people being cut off from egress. In a common design such as the ones I posted. a highway accident leaves a shoulder and area to pass in some fashion. In the roundabout it becomes near impossible to attempt detours. This roundabout will prove to be egg on the DOT's face and it will end up on the TV news when SH!t hits the fan.
Everyone south of that roundabout who needs 130 as egress will be cut off from either entry or exit, South Pahoa and Pahoa proper will be completely cut off from egress north. This effectively pins everyone south and leaves us in the path of what ever disaster might come. If an accident happens during an evacuation... we're all screwed and heads will roll at DOT.
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Aha, I did miss something, you were talking about hot lava covering the road.
What I meant was: wouldn't it be prohibitively expensive to dig into the existing (lava) ground to build a tunnel?
Is that perhaps why we don't see many tunnels in Hawaii?
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"but will fight to the death the idea of such circuitous insanity being tested first at the death-trap intersections in Pahoa"
Really??
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Any roundabout on Highway 130 creates an emergency evacuation egress issue. I don't know how much weed the boys down at DOT smoke but it must be a vast amount and to think that the Civil Defence didn't speak up about it is even worse.
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"We'll be seeing perhaps multiple accidents per day after it's finished, of that, I've no doubt."
Perhaps? You have no doubt? Come on, make a prediction that can be tested. How many accidents with injuries in the first month?
I predict: none.
