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albizias should only be killed, not replanted or nurtured. It is a bad tree, it grows fast even from cut stumps will regrow 20+' in a year, the trees fall, limbs fall, wood sucks, it is good fodder or mulch but Id be careful of seeds within getting spread.
although no native trees grow nearly as fast or as big... but if you want to plant native trees, go for Kopiko, Ohia, Hawaiian Sumac, Lama, Hala, Hoawa if in mid to lower Puna........or Olopua, Olapa, Koa, Mamane, etc. if youre more upland
the easiest 2 besides Ohia are...
Kopiko, there is alot of Kopiko in the older forest between Hawaiian Acres and Ainaloa (between end of Rd8 in HA and top of Ainaloa). Coffee family plant, its endemic to Puna, the small fruit clusters are orange and in season right now, the trees are about 30' max but usually 15'-25', and in the understory below the Ohia, leaves are green similar to maybe avocado at first glance... and about 4"-6" long with lighter midrib and most of the leaves are at end of branches. It is also common in the wet forest 1/2 between zoo and N.Kulani on Stainback Hwy.
Hawaiian Sumac can be found 1/2 way up Stainback Hwy, or on the Hilo side of Saddle Rd, or on side of hwy going up Hamakua way. It is a mango relative and endemic to Hawaii. New growth is a bright redorange and the mature light green leaves are up to a foot long or slightly more with toothed edges, most trees under 25', but it can get taller in shade, very fast grower for native trees.
save our indigenous and endemic Hawaiian Plants... learn about them, grow them, and plant them on your property, ....instead of all that invasive non-native garbage I see in most yards... aloha
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save our indigenous and endemic Hawaiian Plants... learn about them, grow them, and plant them on your property, ....instead of all that invasive non-native garbage I see in most yards... aloha
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Kani Lehua, did you get estimates yet? My husband takes down big trees, he is arborist trained. I'd be curious the going rates. Those trees are all around bad, with the slight good of being a nitrogen fixer when mulched. Downright scary...
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We did, Melissa. Off hand, I don't recall what the estimates came in as (I'm thinking several thousand $$s). I'd have to get back to you on that. I do NOT like those trees at all. I know of at least 2 in FF. One on Kaleponi and the other on Jungle King.
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It should be mandatory that all immigrants to Hawaii learn about ecology , biology , & Hawaiian culture before making such destructive comments .
Albizia was planted by the developer of HPP after statehood . He made millions stripping every Ohi'a and native tree from lower Puna .
His rationale for extinction of Koa , Sandlewood, all native trees is exemplified by Hawaiian beaches forest reserve which has no trees but albizia. They call them acacia koa down there. They don't know what they are . Like Leilani they have choked all native plants out .
Albizia from Africa was planted by HPP developers as fast growing shade tree that sucks the nutrients out of native forest and watersheds . Too much nitirogen fixing kills all watersheds and plants as evidence by Hpp. In the 1960s everybody tried to get the state to eradicate . AS EMERGENCY measures .. Every cleared piece of native forest is subjected to this invasion.
Now they are growing up emergency access roads . Dpw refused to
Eradicate them . There goes any emergency access .
The native forest dies as
Invasives invades the normal lateral root structure of
Hapu'u & native plants .
Ohi'a takes 100 years to grow 10" in diameter . Albizia grows 10" every six months.
The facts that everybody should know this and Dpw deliberately spread them into the native forest subdivsion is grounds to kill
Every native plant.
Demanding their erdication off emergency routes ended up with 9 trucks, 19 guys standing around to cut 1 4" branch . Dpw is spreading as fast as Fernacres can bulldoze.
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Great post Hapahaole. Behind you 100%.
Cheers
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@Melissa: One quote came in to cut down several trees by way of another neighbors lot for $3500. It did not include the most dangerous Albizia fronting the main street.
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When we bought our house in HPP a few years back, we knew that a large albezia would have to be dealt with. Though it was on the corner of the lot next door it was overhanging into our yard and had three big trunks and lots of really long limbs approaching our carport building. I decided that, in order to get this thing handled, that I would approach our neighbors and offer to pay half the cost. They jumped at the offer and we started getting bids. They ranged from a low of #3300.00 to a high of over $10,000. We went with John of Aloha Aina Tree Service and they John and his crew did a great job. They were able to do it without having to remove another neighbor's chain link fence, which saved us a bunch. They also rented a chipper and we used the ground up wood.
We now also get a lot more sunlight with that monster tree gone.
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Good move on your part, Jon. We can't afford to pay half of all the trees' removals. Some of the tree people won't even touch the most dangerous Albizia. Its branches extend at least 20 or more feet into our property. By the time it's all said and done, the tree removals/trimmings would cost more than the lot is worth.
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I live in Nanawale, but my property backs up to some private property that is not part of Nanawale. There is a massive albizia forest in the distance. Luckily there is a cleared buffer (where I guess the people that own the neighboring property live) between me and the forest. But holy cow those branches have been dropping a lot lately. Maybe from the rain? I was outside earlier and started to hear a tree going, I looked up and sure enough, boom! I would not want to be the people living on that property. I keep imagining a dinosaur tromping through the jungle because it is so loud.
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Kani-Lehua, If you ever get to the point where it's a priority, contact us. My husband will go and have a look. He doesn't typically do bids on that kind of work, instead he bills hourly. $35/hr for ground work, $45/hr for climbing work and $15/hr for a helper. He won't take on every job, but he takes on a lot of doozies. Getting hourly ensures that you are getting what you pay for. Not many tree cutters will do that and his rates are almost too good from where I stand... He's a very conscientious guy.
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