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YEs, I can imagine all "the brats" bringing their toys. It would be great! We dont go to swim there because even in the kiddie pool that is 2 feet deep the kids are not allowed floaties. I have not seem any kickboards there, but maybe somehow, they are allowed. IT's not just toys, the kids cant even wear those arm floaty things. The big pool is 4 feet deep and so the little kids cant even get near it- which is probably what lots of "the retired folks", or "the childless folks" want. My older son doesnt like to swim there because they wont let the older children play "marco,polo" or other games, and they wont let the older kids jump into the pool from the side of the pool either. What is the point? Yes, the point is to let all the "kidnontolerant people" use the pool at the loss of the children. What exactly do you think this says about our society right now? I agree that safety issues are very important around a pool, but there needs to be some compromise.
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Compromise to what? Life? I've seen it there a few times where the lifeguard has to scold the mother for not paying attention.... It's a public pool and to me safety comes first.
Obviously you are more responsible... But sadly probably half don't care. It's the ones that abuse the rules that spoil it for the bunch. It's NOT kidtolerant people... It's society and stupid people. Sad but true.
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IT is "societies role" to help bring up the children. It is not just the parents. IF they need to hire a couple more lifeguards to have a "safe family swim time" with toys- then they should do it! The thing cost millions of dollars. What's lifeguard pay for a few hours 5 days a week or something? I am not excusing irresponsible parents, but if they exist then I believe the "powers that be" should still enable the children of the irresponsible parents to enjoy some benefits of our civilized society (Nice public pool being one, libraries, etc)
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The Pahoa pools great can't wait for it to open back up. The only problem I ever had was that the fat lifeguard that was there is a total racist A hole that flirts with the teenage girls
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unkownjulie needs to do her homework. If one of those little ones (or other pool patrons) either gets hurt, drowns or splits their head open because of permitted marcopolo or other games, then the lawsuit and liability fall upon all of us as taxpayers. "Why don't they just hire more lifeguards 5 days a week OR SOMETHING?" You obviously do not understand that the world does not work the way you want it to. If we could "just hire away," then maybe we can just "Save the world" too. Stop drawing the lines between patrons. There are rules for a reason. Let folks do their jobs. There are obvious lanes marked off for lap swimmers so to insinuate that these folks are "kidnontolerant" is just irresponsible on your part. I could not imagine being a lifeguard or any type of "rule enforcement" position in Puna. Too many anti-rules/anti-authority souls like unknownjulie wanting the world to cater to their every need. Wake up and look at the world...i.e. Puna from a larger, "it is more than me" lens. Then maybe you'll understand why things (and rules) are what they are.
The bigger problem at hand is that I don't know if anyone has noticed, but the project is currently shut down due to lack of permitting. Is that crazy or what? Why would a project even start if the permits were not in place? To think that this pool will be ready in July is as laughable as Fred Blas confusing Kahakais.
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Isn't that an oxymoron, a fat lifeguard? The guards that I have seen are athletic and professional. And on top of that, you say they were racist, in Puna? I only swim there on my school holidays from teaching but do not recognize the scenario you are describing.
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This sounds adult intolerant
Not everything has to be for kids. Adults should have a place to swim without being dive bombed or swamped by kids. After all, adults are the ones paying for it. Perhaps parents should get together and open a pool just for kids.
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Originally posted by unknownjulie
YEs, I can imagine all "the brats" bringing their toys. It would be great! We dont go to swim there because even in the kiddie pool that is 2 feet deep the kids are not allowed floaties. I have not seem any kickboards there, but maybe somehow, they are allowed. IT's not just toys, the kids cant even wear those arm floaty things. The big pool is 4 feet deep and so the little kids cant even get near it- which is probably what lots of "the retired folks", or "the childless folks" want. My older son doesnt like to swim there because they wont let the older children play "marco,polo" or other games, and they wont let the older kids jump into the pool from the side of the pool either. What is the point? Yes, the point is to let all the "kidnontolerant people" use the pool at the loss of the children. What exactly do you think this says about our society right now? I agree that safety issues are very important around a pool, but there needs to be some compromise.
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I'm not sure what "homework" you speak of, but I'd just have the parents sign an "anti-liability release" - WHICH THEY CURRENTLY DONT REQUIRE- and hopefully avoid any lawsuits that way. The way they currently have things, I could sue them for a stubbed toe if I wanted to.
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Ok, in response to the other poster, of "not everyone wants to be divebombed by kids". Yes, totally agree. But my point is, there are no family times at all! IMO there should be, and certain toys and games should be allowed, and I think it's a sad commentary that this is even being debated!
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Most anti-liability releases aren't worth the paper they're printed on, and even if they were, how would you expect authorities to remember which parents signed the papers and which didn't? And as for your comment that they should just hire more lifeguards, you do realize that all county workers have had to take "no pay" furlough days for the past three years because the county doesn't have enough money to pay for its current employees, right? Starting with the new budget year in July, these workers will finally be working a full schedule for full pay - so they go back to the same salaries they were making 3 years ago. If the county is going to be hiring more people, I can think of lots of places that could use the help more than hiring additional lifeguards/babysitters at the Pahoa pool.
Go to any public beach and watch how many parents allow their kids to play unsupervised... and the worst offenders are the "free spirit" types that inhabit the Pahoa area. The rules are in place for the common good.
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