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Over-armed Deedy meets Ha'ole hating Elderts
#11
Deedy will be found guilty. No way around it. He will be found guilty of murder. There is video, eye witnesses, ect. This will have its day in court and justice will be served just like in the Zimmerman case. The fact that this is turning into a race thing absolutely disgusts me. He was drunk, he murdered someone, period. No race involved. Give him life in prison.

Funny how many haole's get their ass beat by locals and never hear it being a hate crime or racially motivated crime. Even when racial terms like haole are used. Funny. Such hypocrisy. Even in the mainland, when was the last time you heard about a white person getting murdered by a ethnic person and it being called a hate crime?

It would never hold up, no media would ever touch it. Even when we have a black president on his second term, a "light skinned" hispanic has captured the headlines now for months. And not because he was hispanic, because he was thought of as a "white guy" or "creepy cracker". Had his name been Jose and dark skinned, well...............

Why doesn't the media cover how many haoles get robbed in Waikiki by locals? Why doesn't the media cover how many haoles get assaulted in Waikiki? It's 99% racially motivated hate crimes. Plain and simple. "He had been warned about haole hating locals" says the media........... So it is so bad in Honolulu that FEDERAL AGENTS ARE WARNED ABOUT HAOLE HATING LOCALS? How about our tourists? Where is their warnings? Oh, it's a money thing. Thats right.

If Deedy is not found guilty, and locals start rioting like the Martin protestors are doing, I will give all people involved in the riot one warning. I am haole and proud to be one. My family is haole and are proud to be haole. And I will protect my property and family at all costs, no matter what the law in Hawaii gives me the right to do. Let us hope the people of Hawaii are smarter and have more aloha than what we are seeing in the Mainland.

Here of all places, we need to hold hands and come together, not be divided further over something that is not.
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#12
Lesson: DO NOT insult armed FBI agents after 2 a.m. !
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#13
"The fact that this is turning into a race thing absolutely disgusts me."

Me too. Your post putting so much emphasis on race doesn't really help.

Guy with gun shoots guy without gun. That's the real story, and all too common.
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#14
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I'm not especially a "proud to be ha'ole" ha'ole, but I'm smart enough to know that the ha'ole's are generally getting richer in Hawaii while the Pacific Islanders are, (am I wrong?), at or near the bottom. We ha'oles brought to these islands a basically alien "European competitiveness" ethic where those that are good at the making-money game get the nice houses and where those not so good at the making-money game get public housing. The ha'oles had the sugar cane and pineapple plantations and now they're planning to build dozens of new Condo towers in Kakaako.

(Please, I'm not attacking ha'oles, I'm just pointing out the basic reality.)

I have GREAT RESPECT for these islands where the "this is mine" and "that's yours" idea wasn't a big part of the culture and where people DID sit by the beach all day and ... just do nothing. You can still "hear" these things in Hawaiian music.

(Yeah, yeah .... I know that Hawaiian culture was not perfect.)
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#15
I would love someone in their 20's to chime in on this, but I think the younger people may not view this type of problem so much as "race issues" but "class issues" and by that I mean "socioeconomic differences". That is a giant chasm that has opened up again between the "haves and havenots". There is some social unrest that we are already experiencing, and it will probably increase. IT is amplified in Hawaii because of the different cultures and populations here.
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#16
I used to think it was "really" a class issue. Now I think that the economically deprived are just more likely to express themselves in newsmaking violence than are middle class or rich people.

I think richer people, and better-educated people (of any race) are more likely to show their disdain for someone through social means. Like, not inviting them to dinner, or blackballing them among their acquaintances. That's how I do it...

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Originally posted by unknownjulie

I would love someone in their 20's to chime in on this, but I think the younger people may not view this type of problem so much as "race issues" but "class issues" and by that I mean "socioeconomic differences". That is a giant chasm that has opened up again between the "haves and havenots". There is some social unrest that we are already experiencing, and it will probably increase. IT is amplified in Hawaii because of the different cultures and populations here.


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#17
racism is nothing more than insecurity and fear of the unknown

guns in the wrong pockets instill a false sense of security (and courage) - that leads to engagement with or with out alcohol -

the concept of no one being armed or every one being armed in a society comes to mind

heck of a choice - grin
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#18
There is no such thing as being "over armed". That is how you throw a baseball, under or over arm.

Here is how a Hawaii OPEN CARRY law would have saved a life and prevented this death.

If instead of a concealed weapon the agent had a sidearm CLEARLY visable, would the loud mouth have opened his big mouth in the first place?

If the FBI agent had an AR-15 slung over his shoulder, how likely is it someone would come up and harass the person with the AR-15.

I suggest you all go to any firing range and have a look see how polite most people are. You don't want to be rude to someone with a loaded gun, especially if they can hit a bullseye over and over. You don't walk up and run your rude mouth. People tend to be VERY polite and respectful and yes even FRIENDLY and tend to keep their bad offensive language for somewhere else.

The only exception are range officers who enforce the range safety rules. They tend to feel the rush of power and get carried away sometimes.
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#19
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Originally posted by PaulW

best to assume everyone is stupid, when it comes to guns.


I assume everyone is stupid at all times, and I even include myself "to be fair".
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#20
Looks like the "Power" of being a federal agent got to him. I don't think the gun did it or was the problem, he pulled the trigger. You can look up the statistics for law enforcement and see that you are 16 times more likely to be murdered by them with conviction then by the average citizen. Stay safe, and stay away from people who think they have "Power".
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