$800,000 pilot program under fire...good

[OpenD]

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Originally posted by Frank

Rob, my point is,,,if McDermott is correct, and i stress correct, in his assertions in the article referenced in the op, I'm of the opinion money of the sort, $800,000 for 1700 students, could be better spent by the doe...

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I believe this pilot program for 1,700 students was included in an $800,000 grant, not that it accounted for the whole expenditure.

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with the prevalence and ease of access (by anyone) of porn on the net, i ask you, how much more is there to learn on the subject?

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I hope that was a joke, and if so it was a poor one. 11-13 year olds are very sexual, so parents like this guy just have their head in the sand to think otherwise. 12 year old girls are getting pregnant, kids are doing BJs and anal sex and straight sex in the backs of school buses, so the need for education is definitely there, and you can't learn about contraception and STDs from watching porn.

And to skip right over the next objection, many studies have shown that explicit sex ed courses like this, easy access to contraceptives, and even HPV vaccination do not increase the rate of sexual activity, they merely reduce pregnancies and disease.

[Guest]

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Originally posted by Frank

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$800k is a lot for sex...how bout $750k for balancing a check book, making change in one's head, and self responsibility?...seems parents have some respondsibility??
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I think its time you put the bible down.

[lquade]

thank you frank for sharing the link. i read the article and certainly would not want my 11 year old exposed to that program.. using "happy faces" to represent sexually transmitted diseases? i think certain subjects fall under parental quidelines and responsibility and i dont think anal sex definitions should be left to teachers , i have certainly met a few i wouldnt want 'explaining" things to my kids... what i will say is the doe certainly can spend the monies on everything but basic education it seems...

[VancouverIslander]

The reporter doesn't seem to have done a balanced job on their research for the article. It looks like they are mostly parroting the politician's views while he's on his soapbox with little work done to find out what's actually going on. I would hope that the program focuses on ways students can stay as safe as possible, but we can't put our heads in the sand and assume that only teaching abstention is going to work. I've taught various health and career education courses over the years. Many kids by the time they are in their early teens are sexually active and they need accurate information on what the risks are and how to avoid them. It's not like it's a 'how to' lesson of the mechanics of sexual activity. Part of that process is making sure kids understand how condoms work. Part of it is letting them know what the risks are of each type of prophylactic (ie: birth control pill doesn't prevent STI's, condoms are fallible, the only 100% safe sex is abstention). You might not like the fact that anal sex is out there, but research has shown that it's present even in some younger teens of both genders. Avoiding the topic and not teaching them the risks is reprehensible. I wouldn't criticize this program until I had some real unbiased information about it. One thing guaranteed to increase the rate of both STI's and teen pregnancy is no sex education at all. Make sure you understand what you are doing before criticizing the education system - it may be the only thing that's keeping you from complete anarchy. I know that the teachers I have met in Hawai'i are hard working people who work in very challenging circumstances. My mainland teaching job is a piece of cake by comparison.

[Guest]

Seems that the kids aren't the only ones needing sex ed:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/19/opinio....html?_r=0

And then, speaking about tax dollars and especially "self responsibility" check this out:

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/he...-1.1578951

[Canuck]

$800k is a bargain if it saves a couple more of da aina's finest from squirting out a litter destined for a lifetime of EBT.

[csgray]

I wish people would remember that sex ed is not just about birth control and disease control for hormone driven teens, is a big part of lifelong human health, because it covers topics that are important all through our adult lives: testicular cancer, breast cancer, uterine cancer, cancer of the ovaries, infectious disease, healthy conception, pregnancy and gestation, fertility and infertility issues, hormonal and endrocrine disorders are all also covered.

Sexual health should just be part of a comprehensive health education for all people because effective education on these issues is important if we are to have happy and healthy families here in our community. Many parents are unwilling, unavailable, or too uneducated to provide their children with the comprehensive education they need. People who want to do this at home are free to opt out of any public school sex education curriculum, but they shouldn't cut off those children whose parents aren't taking that responsibility from access to this information.
If you want some hard data on what is actually happening look here:

http://www.hawaiihealthmatters.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=NS-Indicator&file=index

Clearly a lot of people aren't getting the message at home or school on how to control fertility or infectious diseases.

Carol

[nana valley]

Thanks, Frank, for bringing this topic into conversation. I have a copy of "Pono Choices" and was stunned to read the modules. I had difficulty getting past page 39, my brain was so seared.

What shocks me is the number of people on Punaweb who discuss the cost of this program. Look at the material!! I would never allow my children to go through this program. I hate what is happening to our children...hate it.

And the anus is NOT a genital organ as Pono Choice teaches. We were wonderfully made by a Creator and He did not make that organ a sex organ. It's sole purpose is for excrement of waste. Nothing else.

And Rob, I will not apologize for this rant. Yes, I'm conservative, Christian, and I know I'm in the minority in this state but I'm NOT ALONE!

He who hoots with owls at night cannot soar with the eagles in the morning.

[Guest]

Ignoring life's realities because of your "christian conservative values" does not make it just go away.

I find nothing wrong with educating our youth in ALL realities of what real life really is. Including every nitty gritty detail. Including "Pono Choices."

What I find totally repulsive is spending 172 million for Medicare coverage of "Male Junk Pumps" for senior citizens.

[Delta9r]

Any parent who expects their children to learn about sex while in school is doing their children, and the community, no good.
Certain things should be taught to children before they enroll in any school.

The fact that these new sex ed classes promote alternate sexual activities is enough to call the entire program into question.

"Life is labor, and all that is good in life comes from that labor..."