Police Encounter With Hawaiian National in Pahoa

[Guest]

Wow. That was very tense to watch, let alone had been involved. The young Hawaiian was cool under some serious gang pressure (many cops). Our cops looked very young, showed no respect by hiding behind their shades, kept their hands on or around their guns at all times (scary). Pahoa's police were getting very forceful once they had enough back up, obviously on the edge, options on how to handle this looked slim to none. The second to last officer that showed looked to be the most Hawaiian and then chose to speak or ask his questions in a Hawaiian language, Why?
Our captain or chief seemed to know Jo'Jo and victor and in less than 3 minutes in a very tense situation thanked the young Hawaiian Jo Jo for electing him to do his job, how nice and appreciative.

Very disturbing to see this so blatant during times like these now in Puna. I have been ran off of beaches like Wiapio, green sands, even Kalapana from very similar looking young Hawaiians claiming the same kind of story of true ownership, a handful of times in over 40 years. I have always respectfully left with no questions or problems, I have wondered though what could or would happen if haole's like myself decided not to Obey the words from the Hawaiians at these times?. Our police showed great patience in this one situation, how about the next?. This kind of special treatment is awarded to how many, how could one apply for sovereignty?. Can anyone claim this, what is the paperwork and could it be faked like my old I.D's and insurance cards?

Seriously. The hawaiian man, and or vehicle should never have left Uncle Robert's. Should not have drove down an american tax-paid road to an american town like Pahoa without proper valid proof of self or property. This did cost Hawaii county tax payers a few dollars, and headaches, while exposing two of our mafia's or largest gangs in our area. I feel like I watched A very special meeting of a few special people in an unlikely public place.
This did not sit well with the wife(a little scared) especially as we are looking forward to the lava crossing the highway soon. Some rumors have it that some Hawaiians want to reclaim Puna during these trying times, after watching this video we can see this as a greater possibility.

Wow our police body language or actions showed intimidation, a willing to lie or cover, forcefulness, inexperience, patience, confusion, and great respects to ranks or superior's from within. All-in-all great job and well handled in public. JMO.

[faroutsider]

It appears this movement is ripening.

[Wao nahele kane]

Fortunately for this young man the police bent over backwards to avoid the use of force and I don't see anything he can use as a source of immunity.
After reading through the legal status it would appear the Hawaiian Kingdom is in a state of limbo until the U.S. stops occupation.
http://hawaiiankingdom.org/govt-acting-statement.shtml

[ironyak]

The situation is an echo of the Lance Larsen case which was 13 years ago so it's not clear if much has changed or progressed. Of course, refusing to acknowledge authority or present ID has been a common form of civil disobedience in other independence movements. It would probably need a larger number of participants willing to suffer the consequences in order to create a greater demand for response from the courts IMO.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

There is a difference between a right and a privilege. I was always told that driving was a privilege.

The guy driving in the video seems to have the impression that if he declares himself a member of the Hawaiian Kingdom, everything automatically becomes his right. If he reads Hawaiian history, he might discover that even under Hawaiian rulers, he did not have the right to do whatever he wanted.

[lquade]

would be interesting to know the outcome of this, not just when he turned off his camera. i found it interesting that he kept commenting on the number of police there, when he was the one creating the situation, and asking for more police to come. a huge waste of police resources for this one person. i thought at about the 10 minute mark, they should pull him out of the car and arrest him. he is on state/county roads and i would almost bet utilizes many other state/county resources. i found him arrogant and agree with others in that if he was in an accident, no insurance, no drivers license why should there be yet another person victimized by him. go march, go to the capital, join discussion groups, do something constructive instead of playing games and posting on utube.

[Guest]

Hawaii is a state in the USA, decided by popular vote of Hawaii residents. The Civil War, in which over a million Americans died and the SE USA was devastated, was fought over the issue of states' rights to secede from the Union. That issue was decided in the negative, and is not open for reassessment on a case by case basis.

That said, native Hawaiians have a legitimate claim to special status here. Some of the activists take it over the top, but when it is humanly possible to defer to their wishes and needs I believe the state, and the cops, should do so. Unfortunately, when anyone threatens public safety in the name of their political beliefs, they cross a red line. When I see a mass burning of EBT cards here, I will worry about the radical Free Hawaii movement. Until then, history is ugly and life is not fair and I will pick up the trash beside Beach Road if no one else will.

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You can't fix Samsara.

[Wao nahele kane]

Driving is a regulated right within the united states. Privileges are unique to post, foreign dignitaries and unique circumstances within the judiciary.

[Wao nahele kane]

Imagtek,
They can't hold a popular vote/voter referendum outside U.S. controlled territory to decide such an issue. They needed a state head to state head treaty, which they didn't get. Read through the website I linked to. There's also more information available on the matter elsewhere. The world courts recognize the Hawaiian Kingdoms Sovereignty and understand it's occupied illegally by the United States at this time.
Now it's a matter of U.S. occupation and a Hawaiian Kingdom that's in limbo. Under international law occupation must recognize the laws of the sovereign state.

Remember the United States making a little fuss to do about Russia holding a popular vote in Ukraine over Crimea? Same thing but as you can see it still happens regardless of the legalities involved. That's similar to what happened here in Hawaii.

[ironyak]

Where and when did the world courts recognize the Hawaiian Kingdoms Sovereignty?