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I think Medicare for all would be best for all of us, womb to tomb.
It would have been more beneficial for individuals, families and
business in Hawaii.
With ACA there are still 30 million uninsured for "health care" in the US.
Health care and health insurance are different things.
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Health care and health insurance are different things.
Exactly: the "insurance" is mandatory, but the "care" can go on strike. Pointing out this discrepancy is mere "nonsense" (sometimes called "partisan blather"), but the fact remains that premiums are guaranteed while actual care is not, which arrangement some might consider symptomatic of a "broken system".
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Originally posted by kalakoa
thousands and thousands of Americans who could not get affordable health insurance
Rephrased: what good is "affordable" insurance when the care providers aren't actually available?
That is an entirely different problem unrelated to the ACC. The pipeline for care providers is about 12 years from pre med through being a fully fledged Physician, nursing and other support workers aren't much shorter. The shortage of health care workers has been warned about for years, are you suggesting that the solution to that shortage is to have large parts of our population go without health care because they cannot afford insurance or insurers refuse to insure them?
Please quit "rephrasing" or "translating" my statements to twist the meaning or provide yourself with a rhetorical jumping off point. You are putting words in my mouth and it is an offensive and dishonest method of discourse.
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I don't post often, but shockwave rider, your above retort RE paraphrasing/translating (or trolling if you will) made me spit out my coffee. Made my day!
I am amazed that when the adamant anti-ACC (generally FOX NEWs addicts) hear about the vast differential in the cost of something like knee replacement surgery between the US and France, the pitiful ranking of the US in infant mortality rates compared to the rest of the industrialized world, ad nauseum... the reaction is universally the same as you describe: "rephrasing" or "translating" my statements to twist the meaning or provide yourself with a rhetorical jumping off point."
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Shockwave and myomy:
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This is my Like button! Gets old listening to negative comments that A) have no basis in fact B) are not directly related to the topic, but are spewed at every opportunity and C) are not cogent arguments presented with factual information, rather generic derisive comments showing bias.
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Just a minor point: "top management and stockholders may be benefitting". Kaiser does not have stockholders.
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Originally posted by rbonplaza
Just a minor point: "top management and stockholders may be benefitting". Kaiser does not have stockholders.
Kaiser is all that is left of the Kaiser Shipyards and Permanente Metals companies that shared common ownership and worked diligently to make a great-many Victory ships during WWII. Their health program was created as an incentive to lure defense workers to the companies, since FDR had placed a wage-freeze in place, and to assist the workers that employed in the effort.
Now, the health care entity is all that exists.
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Kaiser is all that is left of the Kaiser Shipyards and Permanente Metals
Also concrete, if memory serves.
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I think Kaiser is alive and well. I used to work in the Kaiser building in Oakland, and still have an account at the Kaiser Credit Union.
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Originally posted by rbonplaza
Just a minor point: "top management and stockholders may be benefitting". Kaiser does not have stockholders.
The reference was to the health insurance/care industry in general, not just Kaiser.
