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Fukushima has had no effect on Hawaii
#11
ElysianWort,

"I'm sure that our islands dairy cows had spiked levels of radiation in the milk after the event. I remember it being talked about on the evening news. A reputable source."

If you feel that the local news media are a reputable source, may I point out this news article?

http://westhawaiitoday.com/news/local-ne...sland-cows

The conclusion is pretty much that all is safe,” said Henrietta Dulai, Associate Professor in the Marine and Environmental Geology Division within the Department of Geology and Geophysics at UH-Manoa, who oversaw a small research team including graduate students Hannah Azouz and Trista McKenzie. “Tests are still ongoing, but we do not expect any significant levels at all.
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#12
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Originally posted by PaulW

When it was pointed out to the creator of the other thread that it was a lie, he laughed and kept it there...
...There is a lot of hysteria about that.


Thanks for enlightening us Paul. Now us pathetic, unegecatud, gullible folk can put down our pitchforks, go back to our trailers and watch game shows.
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#13
You're welcome. Next time check your sources before trying to spread fear.
Enjoy Dancing with the Tsars. Catherine and Peter were Great but Ivan was Terrible.
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#14
Thanks for that article Tom. Hmm well I guess time will tell if Hawaii gets affected in any way. There was another meltdown awhile back, think it was called Chernobyl. Scientists are still discovering long term effects. Call me a hypochondriac here, maybe but to be confident all is well and will be well after that catastrophic human-caused f**k-up in Fukushima, Japan seems unrealistic bordering on foolish. JMO
So what's the deal scientists and people who are in the know? Does radiation not spread as much through the ocean as through the atmosphere? I asked earlier about the radioactivity in the heavy metals just sinking right where they are, I wonder? Anyway here's food for thought:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world.../83220302/

Edited to add this: Is USAtoday reputable?
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#15
Check the Wikipedia page to see how many people died from radiation at Fukushima. Spoiler alert: it's zero.
I wonder what the Japanese think of those prone to hysterics 5000 miles away.
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#16
Spoiler? That's wonderful news. Just don't think we're in the clear.
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#17
There has always been a disproportionate fear of ionizing radiation. Something about dangers that we cannot see or feel sort of freaks people out. Best estimates (these vary wildly depending on political agenda) is that perhaps few dozen cancer cases will result among the power plant workers and local residents in Japan. The exact number will never be known. Contrast that with the 20,000 who were violently crushed and/or drowned by the earthquake and tsunami. Entire villages were swept away as friends and loved ones watched helplessly...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTb15kJoyc8

We live on an active volcano in the middle of the world's largest ocean with no nuclear reactors for 4000 miles, and have suffered many horrific tsunamis. So what are we fussing over? The meltdown, of course.[Smile]
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#18
whenever someone try for compare Chernobyl and Fukushima, you have to look at the countries, the USSR are full slimy criminals.. Japan not so much so... USSR tried to keep their prob out of the news and cover it all up, Japan not so...
Comparing Fukushima and Chernobyl ... Chernobyl was many many times worse, in a less modern time, w/a less modern country that F-ed up too. I never trust a Russian, they are always trouble, here in Puna or in mid Asia, they are all the same...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison..._accidents

Maximum level of radiation detected
Chernobyl ~ 300.0 Sv/h shortly after explosion in vicinity of the reactor core
Fukushima ~ 72.9 Sv/h (Inside Reactor 2)

Radioactivity released
Chernobyl ~ 5,200 PBq
Fukushima ~ 900 PBq

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save our indigenous and endemic Hawaiian Plants... learn about them, grow them, and plant them on your property, ....instead of all that invasive non-native garbage I see in most yards... aloha
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#19
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Originally posted by ElysianWort

Hmm well I guess time will tell if Hawaii gets affected in any way. There was another meltdown awhile back, think it was called Chernobyl. Scientists are still discovering long term effects. Call me a hypochondriac here, maybe but to be confident all is well and will be well after that catastrophic human-caused f**k-up in Fukushima, Japan seems unrealistic bordering on foolish. JMO
So what's the deal scientists and people who are in the know? Does radiation not spread as much through the ocean as through the atmosphere? I asked earlier about the radioactivity in the heavy metals just sinking right where they are, I wonder? Anyway here's food for thought:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world.../83220302/

Edited to add this: Is USAtoday reputable?


With apologies for a long winded response...

To answer your last question first: Is USA Today reputable?" No. No more so than any media source that depends on sensationalized reporting to attract readers...

It's all about balance and relative risk. USA Today is hyperventilating over a projected 4000 deaths from the Chernobyl accident - and I am entirely sympathetic to those who will experience an early and painful death from their exposure. However, I would recommend you to CDC's web page for this somewhat comparable reality: "Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including nearly 42,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day." Am I worried about Chernobyl or Fukushima? Ehhhh, not so much.

It seems that so many who agitate about exposures to one hazard or another come from a mindset that the world in its natural state is a benign place and if we could just control this or that rare and extreme hazard, we'd all live forever. Let's say we start from a different baseline: the world offers us an environment replete with hazards and is entirely indifferent to our survival. Everything in it can be toxic at some exposure level and over the several tens of millions of years that mammals have occupied the planet, they have evolved to be able to tolerate some level of exposure to many of those toxins and, in fact, require exposure and uptake of some/many compounds that are toxic at higher exposures in order to survive. A couple of common examples: salt - if your diet completely eliminated sodium chloride, you would die; drink a couple of liters of sea water, the salt will likely kill you or leave you without much kidney function... Much touted in recent headlines: hydrogen sulfide. If you were to eliminate it from your body completely, you'd be dead before you hit the floor (turns out, recent research has shown that it's a key metabolic regulator in the cells); inhale 1000 parts per million in air, same result. Oxygen: cut off your supply for any length of time, you're pretty well done. Go scuba diving to any significant depth with a tank of pure oxygen, you won't be coming back.

The same may be true of radiation. Many years ago I came across epidemiological research results that showed (the expected) reduction in cancer rates at progressively lower exposure levels until a minimum in the cancer rates was reached where lower radiation exposure levels were associated with higher cancer rates. Not that I am advocating anyone intentionally seeking out higher radiation exposures - but I'd guess that one more or less flight to the mainland would represent a substantially higher radiation dose than any we are likely to get from Fukushima.

And to answer your first question: the marine transport of radio-isotopes from the Fukushima release is a very complicated question. Some of the isotopes released have a very low solubility in ocean water and will likely be precipitated out fairly quickly. Others will be taken up by marine biota - some of which will be precipitated out into the deep ocean sediments (e.g. in foram shells) and some of which will be consumed by larger marine life up the food chain. And some isotopes will be soluble and will drift around the oceanic currents - at highly dilute concentrations - until they decay away. Will they contribute significantly to my lifetime uptake of radio isotopes? Almost certainly not. If I skip my daily banana for breakfast, that'd probably cover it...

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#20
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Originally posted by bananahead

USSR tried to keep their prob out of the news and cover it all up, Japan not so...


Short memories? http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/09/world/...japan.html

Among other things in the article:
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In interviews and public statements, some current and former government officials have admitted that Japanese authorities engaged in a pattern of withholding damaging information and denying facts of the nuclear disaster — in order, some of them said, to limit the size of costly and disruptive evacuations in land-scarce Japan and to avoid public questioning of the politically powerful nuclear industry. As the nuclear plant continues to release radiation, some of which has slipped into the nation’s food supply, public anger is growing at what many here see as an official campaign to play down the scope of the accident and the potential health risks.
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