Hawaii Countys Index Crime rate increased 28.7% in 2005. The violent crime rate surged 57.0% and the property crime increased 27.3%. Hawaii Countys violent crime rate in 2005 was the highest in the State of Hawaii.
Crime records for County of Hawaii in 2005
Record high violent crime rate.
Record low forcible rape rate.
Record high aggravated assault rate.
Record high motor vehicle theft rate.
According to the Hawaii Attorney General
While drugs may be a big problem, I think the economy has a part to do with it to.
To keep this on topic, we need prisons to protect the people of Hawaii against the crimes I reported above.
The more we continually release prisoners to society before they have served there time, the Higher the crime rate will climb!
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All I'm saying is " If you commit a Violent Felony Crime you will be sent off island and out of state to do your time. When you have completed your sentence you will be released on the mainland and if you choose to return to Hawaii, the tax payers are not paying for it".
I also think that when prisoners are released they should have to pay back the state for the cost of incarcerating them. Any prison industry wages earned will be forwarded to the state of Hawaii.
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Prisons are a growth industry, and becoming more competitive all the time. The prison industry could give a crap about rehabilitation, or society. In fact their bottom line "Profit" would actually encourage recidivism. There are other ways to deal with societies problems.
I'm all for locking up violent and repeat offenders. But let the herb growers go. They're wasting our prison resources.
If we stop the unsuccessful drug war and legalize, the overcrowding problem is solved.
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Bottomline!!!. I do believe that's what our so called justice system is all about. It's about the money, every level, every nook and cranny. I suspect, that if possible to add it all up (local, state, federal, international), our so called American justice system is our biggest business. Think about it! Can anyone tell me when was the last time we ended a year with less laws than the previous? New laws = new crimes = $$$. Anyone care to tell me last time any type of law enforcement budget was increased because of lower crime stats? Land of the free, home of the... yea right, not in ages [  ]
One of the reasons I believe pot remains illegal is the system has yet to figure a way to make as much if it were legal. As an illegal substance there money at every level a violator is involved in. I suspect the alcohol model wouldn't work - no tax on growing, if home grown than illegal sales to minors won't help, low level of DWI(Stoned) would not be as $$ generating as normal DWI.
But back on topic - yes meaningful prison for violent/repeat offenders, but let's invest on more productive measures for others.
Congrats Beachboy for proving it can be done.
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I say the problem isn't drug offenses its that prisons and probation isnt tough enough. I would loosen certain (pot) laws.
Rape, murder, kill, abuse a child/eldery: trial, one case review and you get the gurney.
DUI or commit a crime with personal property your property is now owned by the state: Poaching you lose your guns, DUI or transporting stolen goods lose your car, keeping stolen goods in your home lose your house (sorry about your wife and kids)....
Scarlet Letter Probation: You are required to wear a metal collar with the name of your crime. It would make you think twice about shoplifting if you saw the way shopkeeper look at people with a metal collar.
Prison: No speaking, no contact with others. No: TV, smokes, gym, porn, or vistors.
I like Sheriff Joe. He is against deadbeat parents, people who abuse animals, and has one of the largest posses and volunteerin the country.
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Has anyone compared the annualized rate of crime versus the rate of two household incomes? Betcha as it became necessary for two incomes to support a family (when was that, started around the late fifties, early sixties, didn't it?) then the rate of crime and all these other social ills starting rising as well.
We are going on about the third generation since a one income family was "normal" with at least one parent having a large impact on their kids upbringing. Sneer at "Leave it to Beaver" all you want, but it was a good model for raising kids. Our society needs that sort of role models. Each generation seems to be under increasing pressure with less training and support and society has greater and greater ills. If we could get the media needle out of societies arm, then we might have a hope of recovery. As long as everyone "needs" all the stuff being promoted by the advertisers families won't be able to live on one paycheck and the kids will be raised by strangers and the media which is basically a diet of pure violence and greed with no morals. It isn't fair to expect a kid to do well with that sort of input.
Perhaps a huge economic depression will actually help the country by getting parents in contact with their kids again as the "norm" in our society. Although having one parent out of work when the household needs two incomes to survive is about the worst way to get a family together.
What is the rate of prisoners from neighborhoods where extended families are common versus neighborhoods where nobody is related to anyone else? When a child is raised in an extended family or close village community I would suspect that they are less likely to get into trouble in the first place, let alone get far enough along to need incarceration. We need to keep the kids out of trouble and give them good moral examples to live up to instead of more prisons. It will take about twelve to eighteen years for this to make a difference but when it kicks in we will have less strain on our social budget and more taxpayers.
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Hotzcatz, Catherine Austin Fitts has researched the question raise. She's a former Assistant Director of HUD and economic honcho, (honcha?).
Here's an interesting interview with Ms. Fitts.
<http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0510/S00173.htm>
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Thanks for the link Lee.
Here is another take on the economic system by the same person, food for thought no? Titled Tapeworm Economy
http://www.solari.com/realdeal.htm
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Originally posted by Jared I
I say the problem isn't drug offenses its that prisons and probation isnt tough enough. I would loosen certain (pot) laws.
Rape, murder, kill, abuse a child/eldery: trial, one case review and you get the gurney.
DUI or commit a crime with personal property your property is now owned by the state: Poaching you lose your guns, DUI or transporting stolen goods lose your car, keeping stolen goods in your home lose your house (sorry about your wife and kids)....
Scarlet Letter Probation: You are required to wear a metal collar with the name of your crime. It would make you think twice about shoplifting if you saw the way shopkeeper look at people with a metal collar.
Prison: No speaking, no contact with others. No: TV, smokes, gym, porn, or vistors.
I like Sheriff Joe. He is against deadbeat parents, people who abuse animals, and has one of the largest posses and volunteerin the country.
Jared
seems you are all in the corner of Sheriff Joe in Mariposa County. I for one think the man is a total arsehole. Let's not lose sight as to why his way of holding down inmates work.
Since I imagine the majority of you have never done any significant time. You can only go by press clipping or news stories. That unless you're from Arizona...then and only then you might have a clue. Sheriff Joe's career of opressive and racist "policing" is well documented. Making illegal immigrants in lockup listen to hours on end of patriotic songs is a bit sadistic don't you think? Anyway, back to my reasoning why his way works...it's not a prison boys & girls it's a county jail! What that means is 80% or more of those locked up there are in pre-trial. The other 20% i'd imagine are with one year or less, and that's why they are there!
His county jail tricks wouldn't work with a lifetime convict!
Like Greg said, the prison industry is one of the fastest growing industries in America. The Feds are converting closed down military bases into Federal Camps all across America. It's also a sad but true fact that in America there is more people locked up than any other country. That includes the former Soviet Union at the height of their very oppressive society too with all their gulags.
In the federal system there is an opportunity to work for a company called UNICOR. Inmates with a gang of time, and still have to maintain their outside responsibilities to their families crawl over one another to work for UNICOR. In the federal system , it's your best chance of making money. An our government has laws against a monopoly of any kind but turn their collective backs to UNICOR! Why? In the federal system and working for UNICOR, chances are you have made Jet cables, bullet proof vest,and the list goes on and on. Why is it a monopoly? Simple no company on the outside world can compete with the UNICOR work force. They are paid roughly in the neighborhood of 85 cents to about $2.40 an hour, and in every federal joint there are lines of inmates waiting to sign up so they can meet the needs of their families outside in Mexico, or need to the money inside for their gambling habits. So prisons are big industry for many reasons!
But it is my opinion as a former convict that Hawaii doesn't need more prison, but more programs to keep individuals out of prison!
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