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leilanidude,
Forgive me, but your comment was gypsy69ish:
"Will forcing them to fly over the ocean make it so that more people hear the helicopters than do now? Not only does the sound carry further over water than over forested areas, more people live near the coast than in some of the remote subdivisions that they fly over now."
Are you being serious?
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I will not be signing this petition. One look at a map will show you why it makes no sense, it would at least double the flying time if they had to fly offshore the whole way. Anyway, no matter where they fly, somebody will complain because (as you can see from the comments) many people are just against companies making money.
On the other hand I do think they should vary their routes and fly as much as possible over unpopulated areas, like forest reserves. But even then, as we have seen, people will complain.
Helicopter tours make a lot of money so that's also a lot of jobs and taxes. It's important that they stay and expand if possible, but also not unduly annoy people. Varying the route would make the most sense IMHO.
I must say I am also a little bit skeptical when people say they fly all day every day just above their house. I believe I have asked people in the past to tell me exactly where I should stand in order to experience this myself. No response. So, please, tell me *exactly* where this is happening. I would like to check it out for myself.
Just to save some time: no, I am not involved in the helicopter or tourism industries in any way, shape or form.
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Amrita, don't let the spammers stop you from signing this or any other petition. You can create an extra gmail or hotmail or whatever email account for free and just use that instead for sites like these. It's very handy, I use mine all the time for various times when an email address is needed.
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I get leilanidude's comment. If they are forced to fly offshore and then hug the coast, then the people living along the shore will get more helicopter noise.
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Originally posted by TomK
leilanidude,
Forgive me, but your comment was gypsy69ish:
"Will forcing them to fly over the ocean make it so that more people hear the helicopters than do now? Not only does the sound carry further over water than over forested areas, more people live near the coast than in some of the remote subdivisions that they fly over now."
Are you being serious?
Absolutely serious. They MUST, by FAA regulations, fly close enough to shore that they can make it to shore in the event of a power failure. That is not very far out.
How many homes are in HPP, along the 1st 3 or 4 streets alone? How about Hawaiian Beaches and Shores, Kapoho Beach Lots and Vacation Land?
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I must say I am also a little bit skeptical when people say they fly all day every day just above their house. I believe I have asked people in the past to tell me exactly where I should stand in order to experience this myself. No response. So, please, tell me *exactly* where this is happening. I would like to check it out for myself.
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I have questioned the amount of claimed flights, on numerous occasions, as being bogus, false, incorrect... I have even tried to prove that the anti-copter claims are false and been met with...crickets and subject changes...
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"Absolutely serious. They MUST, by FAA regulations, fly close enough to shore that they can make it to shore in the event of a power failure. That is not very far out."
But they already fly out over the ocean depending on route they take. Your answer makes little sense. And how will the sound be louder in Puna if they fly over the ocean? That's utter nonsense.
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TomK, I didn't say the sound would be louder in Puna, although HPP, etc., are in Puna... Sound will carry further over water than over a forested area and since they will be forced to fly higher over water, to meet the FAA reg, more people will hear them. There are more people that live closely together along the coast than in the remote subdivisions. Therefore, more people will be affected.
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they should vary their routes
I suggested exactly that on an earlier incarnation of this thread.
With a published schedule of "per-area helicopter days", I could easily choose to run the string trimmer/chainsaw, make trips to town, etc, on the "noise days", and have a good chance of getting a nice nap on "quiet days".
Such a "cooperative" approach might well be welcomed by the tour operators, and would easily be faster/cheaper than years of litigation with various government agencies pointing the finger of jurisdiction at each other.
It also seems like the tour operators should be "paying their fair share", starting with (at least) the property and gas tax increases being forced upon the rest of us.
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They do vary their routes but it's largely based on the weather.
They pay aviation fuel taxes.Why would they pay a road tax ?
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