Evacuee requirements

[terracore]

Good points, both.

[jrw]

Keaau Shelter was deem full by the county. They say that they are worried the shelter would be full if the people in tents outside have to move in because of bad weather. The red cross has no say in the matter.

jrw

[Punatic007]

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Originally posted by MarkD

"Whether you're homeless because of the volcano or through some other circumstances, homeless is homeless."

A working person made homeless by a natural disaster ought to be viewed--and treated--differently that a person in a homeless state because of their personal decision to avoid work and instead lay around all day getting high.

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Bingo MarkD.
Monies, resources and shelters are allocated for the displaced residents, period. It's not the time for a social experiments by including transient meth addicts and others who are not personally affected by the disaster.

[mermaid53]

This is not a free for all for all the down and outs passing thru the Big Island. I was hyper-aware of the location of my wallet and keys at all times. Our displaced friends and neighbors deserve so much more, I know I did the one night I braved the shelter.

A working person made homeless by a natural disaster ought to be viewed--and treated--differently that a person in a homeless state because of their personal decision to avoid work and instead lay around all day getting high.

I totally agree...the families displaced due to a flowing lava event deserve so much more. There must be a way to segregate those forced from their homes from (I'll use leo's descript from PT's "need some local slang for evacs" thread) , Evacuee Posers. Some of these "evacuee posers" may already have provisions through the State Human Resources. This isn't touching on situations of those that are evacuee posers seeking attention and sympathy from others.

[randomq]

Be careful, food stamps and welfare will soon be the only money entering our economy!

[My 2 cents]

"in a homeless state because of their personal decision to avoid work and instead lay around all day getting high."

Does this description fit ALL homeless who are not lava evacuees? I kinda doubt it, but I really don't know. I do know that if I had been homeless for the past year through no fault of my own, be it injury or inability to find work/housing because of other valid reasons, I might have a hard time understanding being turned away from a shelter because my reason for my homelessness doesn't fit the criteria. I might even feel like I should have preference since I have been suffering longer.

"The shelter will need to close at some point. But then what?"

Indeed, and what about the new housing units? Will they close too? Or will they become permanent homes for some of the evacuees? If/when all of the evacuees find other accommodations will the other homeless THEN be allowed to occupy them? Or will they be sold off and hauled away, or worse, closed up and left to rot?

"If we're getting outside money thrown at the problem then it should be seen as an opportunity rather than trying to find some way to segregate people."

I hope it works out that way, even if our homeless population has to wait for the leftovers. I find it interesting how much compassion there is for the lava evacuees, in contrast to the animosity towards the other homeless. Hopefully when things settle down we will have moved forward with our homeless situation and not backward.

[randomq]

I think the lazy homeless give the hard working homeless a bad name. When you work for a living, it's disheartening to see the lazy (at the top and bottom of the economy) getting handouts at your expense. But of course you would have compassion for your fellow workers who have fallen on tough times.

Perhaps at some point you try to funnel the homeless and jobless refugees to job training or work programs. Programs to identify and help the mentally ill and substance dependent. Only if people refuse training, work, or treatment do you cut them off.

[ericlp]

http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2018...-evacuees/

I saw video's of the people lining up to get food and felt the same way. Sad all the way around.

[Punatic007]

"I hope it works out that way, even if our homeless population has to wait for the leftovers. I find it interesting how much compassion there is for the lava evacuees, in contrast to the animosity towards the other homeless. Hopefully when things settle down we will have moved forward with our homeless situation and not backward." -My 2 Cents

How's this: Those who feel the transient homeless who have joined the lava displaced aren't getting enough compassion, invite them into their homes, freeing up the shelter space that was specifically designated for the residents displaced by lava.

[MarkD]

"Perhaps at some point you try to funnel the homeless and jobless refugees to job training or work programs. Programs to identify and help the mentally ill and substance dependent..."

Put the homeless on farms, with some work required. This idea gets shot down every time I raise it on any chat site. Liberals hate the idea. But I persist in raising it.

"funnel (them) to job training or work programs".

Reality is that a lot of these folks are unsuited for most conventional work. Take a seemingly ideal entry level job: Accepting donations at Goodwill near Ken's House of Pancakes.

I've been there a few times recently. Folks working there are diligent. They have regular, long work shifts. A presentable appearance is required. All this is more than many of Puna's drop-outs are capable of.

Have a shabby appearance? Poor personal habits? Like to work only when you are in the mood? Drug use? These habits are not necessarily a major problem on (non-commercial) farm/orchard/garden environments.

3 hours a day, 15-20 hours a week is not an onerous work expectation. Even the lazy can do it. Few conventional jobs allow a 3 hour shift.

A farm for the homeless is not intended as a business operation. It can provide cheap accommodation to the homeless. Micro housing. Or quonsets huts. Or tents. And a large garden/orchard, which hopefully the homeless will show some interest in working on and give them a sense of accomplishment. And food for the community.

Link their willingness to help on the farm with benefits. Labor is not forced. If the homeless work they are eligible for micro-housing (to be built). If they don't want to work they can pitch a tent on the site. And their monthly food stamp benefit is reduced.

Examples:

https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/homeless...anic-farm/

http://www.homelessgardenproject.org

No doubt liberals will block any such project. Liberals can't stand the notion that people have a moral obligation to contribute to society. (They like entitlements.)

So many Puna homeless will migrate to downtown Hilo. Where we have 40-50 homeless now. Who do absolutely nothing but hang around all day, mostly by the bus station. And at night sleep in the doorways of businesses. How many more to come?