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One last effort to clarify: None of my comments on either thread are meant to "take exception" with John's post. I'm only concerned that the OP gets a chance to have her question answered without having to sort through a debate about real estate ethics. That said, because people have been hurt by less than forthright agents in the past, discussion of real estate ethics is a relevant topic in and of itself.
By no stretch of the imagination can saying that Fern Acres gets a lot of rain be considered a violation of the Fair Housing Act! But I do think the fact that this is an ongoing conversation is a good example of how the written word can easily be perceived in an unintended way by someone in the wider audience--and how hard it is to fix that once it's done. Agents have to be careful...that's all I'm saying.
And, to holahan, yes, in the other thread, I was trying to lighten it up a bit, hoping that people who have good first-hand info on Fern Acres would not shy away from participating in the thread!
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While I can understand Bullwinkle's distaste with a few broker's he may have encountered in the past, I think the rant in this case is mis-directed . He cited cases of steering, inappropriate builder relationships, non-disclosure, and conflicts of interest with some past brokers, and then somehow circled back around to this seemingly innocuous statement, taking all of these past incidents out on John.
Everyone knows where the rain is on this island (we actually prefer the rainforest), nobody would guess this would be such a sensitive subject.
I understood your motivations for starting the topic, Cynthia. People are doing what you suggested, carrying on the OT part of that conversation, and entering into the broader topic you present. My comments were not in response to you, saying that you have it wrong, but rather relate to Bullwinkle's comments, and are addressed to Punaweb population in general, as are (I believe) some other replies to this thread.
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quote:
Originally posted by TheodoreJay
.....obviously he doesn't like all the rain on the east side.....
Did I ever say I don't like rain?! I must be mentally challenged. Why the hell did I build a house for myself in Puna than and why the hell did I buy a lot in Leilani Estates, Fern Acres and Royal Hawaiian Estates! I must be mentally challenged. [  ][ ][ ]
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"There is a better joke to follow, Bullwinkle is filing a complaint against me as we "speak." Now, that really is not a joke! I guess see you in court."
John you are stating a presumption, as fact. Do we see a pattern?
The truth in the case being whether I talk to the board or not .... up to several other agents I have quizzed and my attorney to see if its worth his time to look over my shoulder, To be absolutely honest....
I would not make a decision like that with out due diligence, the jury still out. The biggest response so far is that you have made enough of self inflicted mess in the debate and to let it be - I tend to lean that way in all honesty ... Im not a vindictive or ego driven moose, more of a moose in the china shop really.... basically harmless until cornered.
I do have an email from Mr. Rabbi inviting me to file the complaint. Assuring me you will Win is that your basis for fact? An invitation does not a filing make. If youd like to self report to examine the issues as done in some professions , I can spare an afternoon if that is the case
Rob asked to back off --- I did thinking a gentleman's approach to an argument being called for I have let this topic be 24 hrs. I wont be back unless attacked again - or not - depending how angry Rob gets about me responding
An not factually based attack and unfounded " statement of fact" about my actions drawing me back in
Easiest solution.... list those with a financial dog in the fight as vendors in their tag. So when they come in to mash or sell the newbies everyone knows whats up
And my deep genuine apologies to Cynthia and those agents sharing her values - a deep bullwinkle bow all my referrals and an adios
Dmarie ... kind of rough but a good education, welcome to Puna real estate - you have a keeper on your side
and ... they don't do real estate hearings in court, Folks go to court criminal proceedings etc, the board of real estate handling ethics may as well clear that unfounded statement up too.
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For clarity I complained to Bullwinkle about his effectively hijacking a newbie's topic about crime and suggested that if he wanted to explore his unhappiness with realtors, or a realtor, that he do so in a separate topic.
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What the heck!.........
I understand Cynthia's viewpoint and concern. The world is grey, not black and white, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion and interpretation, just like the thread on crime in Fern Acres which led to this topic. Not all real estate agents are Realtors. Realtors have a code of ethics they must abide by and real estate laws to follow. Real estate agents just have to abide by real estate laws. Everyone who reads a story, such as in a newspaper, may form different opinions about that story. The same with postings on this forum. Just as with law enforcement officers, attorneys, doctors, (other professions that work with the public every day), Realtors are often expected to be held to a higher standard, and are by a code of ethics. How one expresses and represents himself or herself in the community is very important, including I would think, a forum posting.
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[quote] Originally posted by Bullwinkle"There is a better joke to follow, Bullwinkle is filing a complaint against me as we "speak." Now, that really is not a joke! I guess see you in court."
John you are stating a presumption, as fact.
I do have an email from Mr. Rabbi inviting me to file the complaint.
and ... they don't do real estate hearings in court, the board of real estate handling ethics may as well clear that unfounded statement up too.[quote]
You said if I don't stop posting in this thread than you will go to court or whatever. Go ahead.
I didn't know we had a Rabbi on this island, and you want a Jewish judgment that's fine with me too, but he sure didn't e-mail me.
As to the country club, I mean the board, let them decide if rain is ethical/against the law or not.
Look, if you want to fight than lets fight, go ahead and file wherever whatever you want to file. Don't waste your energy with meaningless postings. Those are just your opinions and there is no Judge here. If you just want to win a popularity contest than good luck.
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John... all I asked and still ask is that you speak the truth not opinion about a subdivision when sharing information. In this case you inferred it a crime for me to choose to live here - even in jest - not very professional at all and out of bounds.
You not backing down when presented with the facts abusive (imho) to those that believe otherwise.
At any time a simple "ya know you may have a point, we all run off with our biases from time to time " would have ended it. You still have that option. If you could charm Cynthia to agreement, I think these posts could be deleted - that would to your advantage me thinks I'd be very sweet to her, deletion being her call.
It was never about you John ... It was and I will continue to monitor agents slamming certain sub divisions under color of "professionalism" that needs to end, I think the message sent. - at least about the thin skinned acres.
By the way in many circles disclaiming or trying to dis arm a statement with a smiley is considered abusive.... kind of telling your kid he is ugly, fat and lazy and smiling at him so your wife wont beat you
One may be able to get away with that at home --- but it wont fly in court, therapy or in my presence
last point - I have supplied you with the US weather service map of the Island, during our posts - you have been provided with factual information If you dont have it Id be happy to mail you a hard copy.
Annual rain fall 95 inches in hilo per year 117 in mountain view - factual information - Id use it... Due diligence always better than disclaimer or being caught in a mischaracterization. All the buyer wants and the rest of us expect are just the facts.
edit "is the fact, are the facts"
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Hmmmm.....
117 inches minus 95 inches equals a difference of 22 inches
22 divided by 95 equals.....
Holy cats, Mr Bull !!!
That's a difference of over 23% !!!
I've lived here 23 years and I never in a million years would have guessed it was that much of a difference! Small wonder it's so lush and lovely up there!
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