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http://www.wptz.com/news/21656362/detail.html
Three children mistakenly vaccinated against their parents' wishes? So? Doesn't that show that there's an opt-out clause?
That it's not mandatory?
Also, as you quoted:
"Quarantine shall be a legal alternative to immunization."
Again, this shows that it's not mandatory.
If you don't want the vaccine, fine! Go right ahead.
Why is the government apparently overreacting? From what I understand, they figured this flu could go either way, it could've turned out to be extremely dangerous so they set the wheels in motion. It's also good preparation if there's a dangerous flu in the future, eg like the 1918 flu.
Numbers in the paper this morning estimate 50 million American have had H1N1 and 10,000 have died. That's a 1-in-5000 chance of dying if you get H1N1, if you're a random person. Chance of dying from the flu shot? About 1 in a million (my guess). For rational people, the choice is clear.
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I quoted HRS which can easily be changed,
We are moving TOWARDS a world of no opt out.
What happens when there is a policy requiring a vaccine to travel in an airplane? then what? do you think that really that is so far out there?
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So how do you think that a Hawaii County Council resolution will defend your freedom?
I also ask you about the base issue of does an individual's right to their beliefs and preferences exceed the communities right to health and safety? Please don't make an argument about what is healthy and what is not. The question is fundamental and not case specific.
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It will protect as much as the clear skies act has, NONE. The governmental role in now reversed and the heavy hand of the fed pushes down through the state to the counties and localities, no longer is it the other way around.
I also ask you about the base issue of does an individual's right to their beliefs and preferences exceed the communities right to health and safety? Please don't make an argument about what is healthy and what is not. The question is fundamental and not case specific.
I am a free individual with all of my reserved, I have ZERO obligation to do anything for the community that i do not want to. since you love to keep it local the hawaii state constitution protects my INDIVIDUAL libery
RIGHTS OF INDIVIDUALS
Section 2. All persons are free by nature and are equal in their inherent and inalienable rights. Among these rights are the enjoyment of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and the acquiring and possessing of property. These rights cannot endure unless the people recognize their corresponding obligations and responsibilities. [Am Const Con 1978 and election Nov 7, 1978]
All rights are equal so nobody has any more RIGHTS than I do that means the community cannot oeverride me
EQUALITY OF RIGHTS
Section 3. Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the State on account of sex. The legislature shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this section. [L 1972, SB No 1408-72 and election Nov 7, 1972; ren Const Con 1978 and election Nov 7, 1978]
I am free to practice my religion of choice.
FREEDOM OF RELIGION, SPEECH, PRESS, ASSEMBLY AND PETITION
Section 4. No law shall be enacted respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. [Ren and am Const Con 1978 and election Nov 7, 1978]
Please point to where there is an enumerated right of the "communities right to health and safety" there is none..
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"What happens when there is a policy requiring a vaccine to travel in an airplane? "
No problem. It's still not mandatory. Flying is not a right.
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You have the right to refuse vaccination. The community has the right to quarantine you for the safety of the community. Individual rights are not absolute, " the old shouting fire in a theater, example", you have the right to free speech, and to refuse vaccination, the community has the right to protect itself from the consequences of your actions.
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But wait if you are vaccinated you wont get sick right? so you would quarantine non vaccinated people for what reason a again?
You only quarantine sick people, once the sick get better they do not need to vaccinated because they already have been sick. What logic am i missing? why would the community care if i have been vaccinated or not? they can get the free poison injection, good for them,
look just get your shot and brag how it was cool and your not gonna get sick. I wont, and they wont force me, and i would not put it past the state or the federal government to try something like that. you know your national healthcare will require it, the one thats integrated with the tax laws.... but ohh wait OFF topic again... back to puna.....
how bout that malama market? milk is always cheap!
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Originally posted by DickWilson
You have the right to refuse vaccination. The community has the right to quarantine you for the safety of the community. Individual rights are not absolute, " the old shouting fire in a theater, example", you have the right to free speech, and to refuse vaccination, the community has the right to protect itself from the consequences of your actions.
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I would only quarantine just like its always been done, when you contract the disease, to prevent the spread. If you stay healthy fine, if you come down with the disease then you are quarantined until no long infectious. Seems simple to me, you exercise your right to refuse vaccination, if you become ill, the community protects itself from the consequences of your freedom of choice.
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quote:
Please point to where there is an enumerated right of the "communities right to health and safety" there is none..
"But it is equally true that in every well-ordered society charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand. …
…We are unwilling to hold it to be an element in the liberty secured by the Constitution of the United States that one person, or a minority of persons, residing in any community and enjoying the benefits of its local government, should have the power thus to dominate the majority when supported in their action by the authority of the state….
…So far as they can be reached by any government, they depend, primarily, upon such action as the state, in its wisdom, may take; and we do not perceive that this legislation has invaded any right secured by the Federal Constitution….
Ruling of the Supreme Court of the United States of America in upholding that mandatory vaccines does not violate a persons Constitutional freedoms and rights.
(197 U.S. 11)
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OFFTOPIC better start that slashing!
i bet you think abe lincoln was a good president
that is not enumeration that is judicial legislation and opinion
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