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Mailesomaha,
You wrote: ""I guess Emily *does* accurately represent at least some of her constituents." Nice dig.....really nice!
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
You're right - I was being too clever for my own good, and it was a cheap shot. Please accept my apology.
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Just a heads up. Fred is a conservative Republican, with all that brings to the table. Emily has had her ups and downs, the downs being more emotional, but I trust her more than the competition. She has guts enough to come to debates and has met with community organizations and sponsored some bills that were, at least to me, forward thinking. Do any of you know what Fred stands for as he has not come to any debates? And Paul W., would you really vote for anyone, like Solomon Singer (even though he was not running for council) just so it wasn't Emily, boy that is really, really stupid, and in the end you deserve the elected officials that you get.
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In retrospect: no, I wouldn't vote for Singer if it was just him vs Emily, I think I would just stay home.
I just wanted to indicate to Emily's supporters that it can be counterproductive for them to go onto forums and tell people to "shut the hell up".
Fred Blas is not someone I would normally vote for, but if the alternative is Emily then I already know what a waste of time she is. Time to try the alternative.
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This reminds me of that game where you can take the gift someone just opened, or take a wrapped gift.
(Thanks Chuymom!) 
Do we pick the opened gift of Emily that we know, or pick the still wrapped gift of Fred?
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Lets face it, Emily is not qualified for office and that was already proven. I agree with PaulW, if I knew the opposition was just as bad than I would vote by staying home. However, that is not the case in this election, so it's time to send Emily home.
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FYI Fred Blas had some serious issues with the Hawaii Republican Party - ones that were very similar to those experienced in a previous election by Brian Jordan (some of you may remember the "help" they gave Brian by distributing a very nasty postcard in support of his campaign that turned out to be the kiss of death). So Fred officially resigned from the Republican Party and officially joined the Democratic Party. And BTW, the County Council is a non-partisan office. Dylan Nonaka, Lingle's liaison, recently made a statement on TV that Fred is a Republican, (and this was AFTER the resignation). That does not make it the truth. Fred repudiated that when I asked him. Marlene Hapai told me yesterday that she has told the Republican Party that she insists on reviewing and approving any and all materials they put out about her campaign - judging by the past, I can't say I blame her caution.
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quote:
Originally posted by mailesomaha
Not for nothing....BOB....ignorant and moron is redundant and who are you, exactly, to call such a lovely woman a clown..shame! What makes people, especially grown men, stoop so low? You cannot be a gentleman?
I didn't call her a clown and as for buffoon and ignorant moron. The message was about how elected representatives are viewed outside their own circle. If you’re saying that she does not have that baggage attached to her image, what are you worried about; a few words written on Punaweb by some non-resident outsider? My words carry zero weight and it is only the opinion of one individual. If it is wrong, you have absolutely nothing to fear in over words that were written. In the world of politics, it is meaningless nothing if it does not reflect popular belief. So please don't get upset over my one little comment.
However, if what I said is an indicator of a larger belief, or it is a popular belief in the higher halls of politics, maybe you need to look at the seeds of this belief. If there is any truth in how an elected representative is negatively perceived in and out of the community, I would suggest sitting down with that elected official and having a sole searching discussion, and not get pissed off because someone wrote what many are saying. Remember, it's not the elected official who gets the short end of the stick, but the constituents of that representatives community who are the ones being hurt the most.
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Originally posted by mailesomaha
I mean, not just BOB...well....if you (any of you) aren't running for the office she's running for, or if you're running against her and you didn't win.....shut the hell up. You don't get to vote here BOB, and you who did....whatever....geeze
You are 100% correct that I don't get to vote. I don't get to vote for any Hawaii elected official, I don’t vote for propositions, and I don’t vote on Charter changes. But that lack of voting actually gives me a greater right and obligation to speak my mind. I can’t exercise me beliefs in a Hawaii voter’s booth, but I'll be damn if I'm not going to exercise it when the opportunity comes up. This may not be a familiar concept to you, but it was the basis of the founding of our democracy. You may have heard it, Taxation without Representation. I am not allowed to vote, but my property tax money is just as green as yours when it comes time for the Hawaii County government to ask for their money. No, I’m not a resident but if you want us non-residents land owners to continue paying our taxes without representation go easy on this "you’re not a resident" BS.
Also, consider what you wrote. You basically said that the only person that can have any negative opinion about an elected official is that elected official because everyone else either didn’t run for office (everyone who wasn’t a candidate) or lost the election (all the others who did run) - well what does that leave us with? May I suggest you grab the history books and brush up on Hawaii. Last I remember, Hawaii was still part of the United States of America, not Iran.
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Technically speaking, moron and ignorant are not redundant. A moron is a person with an extremely low IQ, while ignorant refers to someone who can learn but has chosen not to. So the two may be contradictory, but not redundant.
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Well, technically speaking, you can be ignorant without choosing not to learn. In its purest sense, "ignorant" is not an insult, it just means that the person being described has a lack of knowledge or education, either in general or on a specific topic. No one can know everything (despite what some individuals may think regarding their own intellect); we are all ignorant in some areas.
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@KeaauRich: No one can know everything (despite what some individuals may think regarding their own intellect); we are all ignorant in some areas.
ME: Don't I know that! Just on the topic of local politics I find the more I learn the more ignorant I am! Sometimes, late at night, when I review what I did with my day, I wonder why I have stepped into this arena with absolutely a life time of no interest and experience. Just last night I wondered if I am doing more harm than good, both in terms of others and myself, dancing with the stars of local politics. I had another life 4 years ago and loved it but then stepped out of my shell and unintentionally into community politics and that has led to local politics. I suspect my ignorance has tried the patience of many with whom I have had discourse but I'd never know it as they have all indulged my meanderings with patience. Even on a topic I have much confidence and have spent my whole life studying,I am ignorant in comparison to someone who holds a different opinion than my own. I like that because it forces me to research and engages my critical thinking process.
For some who may be elected to the council it may well be a novel experience and they will need a long learning curve. At least we can all learn right along with them.
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