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Silverpenny’s accusation about the intention of the biofuel development is way off base. The description of Ed Olson as a “megadeveloper” is ridiculous. I’ve know this man for almost 20 years on a personal basis. I think that some may be offended by his wealth but he did not come by it through any nefarious means. He was one of the pioneers of the self storage business. Before that he was a gunite contractor. A man I can relate to as I am a gunite contractor as well.
Would a mega-developer revert almost 1000 acres of land in Hilo that was zoned for high density condos back to Ag land and start a farm? Or please read this article
http://www.hawaii247.com/2011/01/21/2183...riculture/ Ed Olson just entered into a voluntary agreement with the Nature Conservancy to protect 2183 acres of land in Kau from development. In the last few years he has bought a huge chunk of Kau. He has started farms and wants to develop various types of alternative energy. He has already employed people in Kau. Who else is doing that? If you do a little research you will find more.
Many of us, I am not entirely innocent of this, are suspicious of really wealthy people. How did they get that money??? Sometimes they got it through hard work, luck and maybe even good karma. I could go on and on about the generosity that I have seen this man express. He understands aloha. Open your eyes.
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Food for people vs. fuel for the military. True conservation of natural resources vs. chemicalized mega agribusiness. No brainer.
Whoa Dick ... Gas AND Diesel ???
+1 for Biofuel from cane lands. Will the public be allowed 'cause I'm looking for a new vehicle soon : )
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quote:
Originally posted by silverpenny10
Food for people vs. fuel for the military. True conservation of natural resources vs. chemicalized mega agribusiness. No brainer.
What do you not understand?
It would be fuel to produce your electricity, instead of using imported coal and oil.
This land is not producing food, nor has been, nor will be. Sugarcane wasn't food.
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Another take on the subject...
"Biofuel" has become such a buzz word lately and apparent hallmark of green-ness and "sustainability" to the intellectually lazy. Many developers (like say those just looking to make a buck pushing their projects through)will use that and any other slime they can manage, to pull one over on the County and of course - the people.
I saw the maps of a certain Kau project which featured "biofuel" on what is obviously rugged a'a lava. It would never work in real life but this was supposed to make up for the golf course, parking lots, airstrip and resort in ecological terms.
If they really mean it, sure, be skeptical of biofuel. But if it's just a development scheme anyway, be skeptical of the slimy developer.
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If memory serves this is the 2nd or 3rd anti military posting of late based on erroneous info....
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Well, this is not the old Soviet Union with a centrally controlled economy. In a free market if someone wants to buy AG land and grow legal crops they may do so whether those crops are for food, fiber, oil, mulch, vitamins, feedstock or lumber. That is the way it is. If you think those AG lands should be put to other purpose by all means buy the land and invest your money in your better idea.
Locating a processing facility for bio fuel is another matter and that is currently in play.
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Pog; yup, requires some adjustment on the injectors, but can do. This is not new technology, dates back to the Vietnam era. Avgas also.
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What a great thing for Ka'u. If it can be done well, it will make a whole mini industry for them. Its great to see our island moving more and more to self reliance. We can easily grow all our own food, and wouldn't it be great to make all our own energy! Having lived off grid now for a few years I can tell you it feels great on a personal level. What a great example we would be for everyone else to follow if our whole population lived that way!
For anyone interested in personal self-reliance, there is a self-reliance fair on feb 19 at 8:00 am and the Church next to 7-11 on kilauea ave. in hilo. Thats just before hilo shopping center.
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mdd7000: "What do you not understand? It would be fuel to produce your electricity, instead of using imported coal and oil.
This land is not producing food, nor has been, nor will be. Sugarcane wasn't food."
What do YOU not understand? Electricity is FREE, from solar, wind, geothermal, etc...Why spray more toxic chemicals into the air/ocean unnecessarily? Instead of poisoning our environment, instead of reliance on imports, instead of endless gluttony, why not reduce usage and practice sustainability?
Sugarcane wasn't food??? LOL!!! What do you put in your coffee to sweeten it? The pink, blue, or yellow packets?
All this talk about jobs for Kau is nonsense. People who want jobs live in Kona, Hilo. People who choose to live in Kau do it because they like the rustic open space. I wouldn't move to Kau if I was looking for a job. What do YOU not understand?
