Monday Town Hall with Ruggles

[TomK]

One day in the future, historians will refer to this period as the "alternative facts era".

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

“This is now a statement coming from the federal government admitting that everything here is true,” Sai asserted. “Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. It’s just which court. Makes sense?”
-Dr Sai

No.
That makes no sense.
When Dr Sai files a suit in a court, he claims he won because they’ve accepted his petition.
When Dr Sai has his suit rejected by the court he claims he won because “No way you can falsify this stuff. This thing has gone through... Law Review. Okay, we’ll go through a U.S. attorney now and you found something? ... They’re only talking jurisdiction, so they can’t review the claims.”. So Dr Sai both claims it went through a Law Review, but the claims also could not be reviewed??? I get so dizzy trying to follow his logic, It would be less disoriented spending an hour on an EK Fernandez ride at the Couny Fair.

If Dr Sai is incapable of interpreting the legal standing his submissions have in the courts, in the present day, how accurate can we expect his many, many interpretations of laws and treaties over one hundred years old are? Laws and treaties which are currently accepted by no courts, countries, or legal entities in the world today? Except by Dr Sai and his dedicated, hopeful, acolytes.

I’d say he’s a snake oil salesman, but he probably wouldn’t deny whether or not the old saying accurately describes his actions, simply that it must be dismissed on legal grounds as there are no snakes in Hawaii. He wins again! Victory!

"I want great climate, we’re going to have that.” President Donald J. Trump, while viewing the massive wildfire devastation 11/17/18. (The J stands for Jenius)

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

The link to both of Jen Ruggles town hall meetings with Dr. Sai:
https://jenruggles.com/town-hall-videos/


A link to the letters Jen Ruggles recently sent out, as mentioned by dan d last week:

Hilo, HI – Council member Jen Ruggles released a letter today that she had sent to Governor Ige, every mayor, and every county taxation department in the State of Hawaii regarding “War crimes of pillaging committed against Protected Persons by the State of Hawai‘i and its Four Counties.”

Ruggles wrote, “Therefore, you must cease and desist from committing these war crimes unless the State of Hawai‘i transforms itself into a Military Government recognizable under international law”
... to work with the acting Hawaiian Kingdom Government to provisionally serve as the administrator of the laws of the Hawaiian Kingdom.
https://jenruggles.com/pillaging/

"I want great climate, we’re going to have that.” President Donald J. Trump, while viewing the massive wildfire devastation 11/17/18. (The J stands for Jenius)

[Midnight Rambler]

Dude doesn't even understand the basic of law and jurisprudence. He says "The federal court in its order stated that it must accept as true all factual allegations contained in the complaint when reviewing a motion to dismiss....That is the key that just – pop – opened the lock. Now everything comes out. So what are those factual allegations in the complaint that was accepted as true because they dismissed it as a political question?"

But the court isn't actually ruling on the factual allegations and accepting them as true or not. What that actually means is that the court is hypothetically accepting them for the purpose of ruling on dismissal. In other words, even if everything he claims is true, is there justification for the case to go forward? And the answer is no. If the answer was yes, and the court did have jurisdiction, then there would be a trial on whether Sai's claims have merit or not.

[Rob Tucker]

I don't know why people waste their time studying this junk legal theory.

[lisa]

Some people thrive on drama. Either they find it, or if they can't find it, create it.

Agreed, Rob

[Seeb]

What I don’t get is what they think would happen if the US were to give Hawaii up. Civil War, Chinese Navy base

[riversnout]

quote:

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Originally posted by Rob Tucker

I don't know why people waste their time studying this junk legal theory.

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Why? Because of the obvious, in your face facts coupled with the hypocracy. If "We are a nation of laws", then where is the treaty of cession or annexation? There is none.

The Congress of the United States cannot annex the land of the Hawaiian Kingdom any more than they can annex the land of Saskatchewan.

I'll shut up if you show me the treaty.

[kalakoa]

If "We are a nation of laws", then

Except that the US isn't really a "nation of laws".

[randomq]

Riversnout, did Kamehameha have the proper treaties when he slaughtered and murdered to take control of the islands? The (now nonexistent) kingdom might never have been legitimate to begin with! Someone should inform Ruggles and Sai that they are perpetuating war crimes.