Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs

[Patricia]

Thanks for the info, Paddleman

[Obie]

"KP, you are not the only person who has "volunteered" for HPPOA. Many of us have donated HOURS, RESOURCES and MONEY (which we did not even ask HPPOA to reimburse us for)."

This is the most hilarious post I've ever seen.
You have volunteered for committees and later either stormed out of a meeting of just quit attending because they didn't do everything your way.
You have shown up at membership meetings with your own agenda that looks like a manifesto and get mad when they won't use, stormed out of membership meetings yelling for others to follow so they lose quorum.

What a piece of work !

[KPHawaii]

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"Why not go to the source to solve the problem?"

The source is refusing to talk to any HPP Owners or provide them with any info. The source has strict orders to communicate ONLY with the HPPOA president. 

This is WHY assistance from our County and State reps would be beneficial. But TRYING to get some of them to do anything is difficult. The only one who appears to have any interest is Matt Kleinfelder.

Please tell the truth without spinning it to your liking. The "source" is not refusing to talk to you. You are not the contact for HPPOA with USPS and have written numerous letters/emails to USPS and they have responded. You just don't like the answers you receive. They are a large corporation, much larger than you or HPPOA. If they responded to every individual who wrote to them to complain, they'd never deliver a letter or package. You have posted some of your correspondence and it's pretty obvious from reading them, you just don't like what they tell you.

[leilanidude]

restricted to parks, recreation, and schools (period) and those deed restrictions agreed to by PHH (now HPPOA) are enforceable. However, the way the deeds are written, the restrictions are not only enforceable by the third party (the Watumulls) they are enforceable by ANY and ALL OWNERS in HPP. That language is in the deed (enforceable by OWNERS) in black and white.
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A park with community mailboxes is the answer.

[KPHawaii]

KP, you are not the only person who has "volunteered" for HPPOA. Many of us have donated HOURS, RESOURCES and MONEY (which we did not even ask HPPOA to reimburse us for). You're just one of an active group of us. It is just that right now, you are in favor and support some on this board.

There was a large study and information that was put together and that group TRIED to present that information at an Owners' meeting two years ago, but Fearless Leader and her group totally shut them down- even though that group was ON the agenda to present.

Unlike you, I don't have every answer to everything. Why don't you ask the group who DOES have those answers. In fact, WHY didn't Fearless Leader let them present? POST their findings for Owners to see? Actually, no need to answer that question. I already know WHY.

I don't recall saying I was the only person to ever volunteer, did I miss it? This is how you deflect away from what the truth really is. Yes, you used to volunteer but when things didn't go your way, you quit and became vindictive. Yes, I do support most of what 'this' board is doing. They have spent endless hours trying to 'fix' HPPOA. You don't ask so they don't tell. They are working tirelessly, silently and thanklessly, taking the bull by the horns, and trying to 'fix' all the mess created, maybe unintentionally, by previous boards. Yes, you will tell everyone that is their job and they signed up for it. However, they really didn't. But when confronted with problems, they have and continue to try to get things the way they think is right and doing so by seeking and listening to the attorneys' advice.

There is a small group of activists who believe they know everything but unfortunately, they don't have, nor do they seem to want, all the facts. Loud does not always prevail. Sometimes it's the quiet ones who sneak in and steal the show. We'll have to wait and see.

If you were to rewrite much of your comments and leave out the nasty parts, (Unlike you, I don't have all the answers), you'd up your credibility. How about just saying YOU don't have all the answers? You constantly criticize people for being snarky (your favorite word), when you do the same. Sweep around your own front door. Make sure you are perfect before criticizing and being snarky with others.

I hand back that mirror you have asked me to look into and ask you to do the same.

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restricted to parks, recreation, and schools (period) and those deed restrictions agreed to by PHH (now HPPOA) are enforceable. However, the way the deeds are written, the restrictions are not only enforceable by the third party (the Watumulls) they are enforceable by ANY and ALL OWNERS in HPP. That language is in the deed (enforceable by OWNERS) in black and white.
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A park with community mailboxes is the answer.

They always seem to leave off the other part of the deed restrictions. They shall always be used for...but never for commercial or residential.

Mail parks are neither commercial nor are they residential. Back in the day, there was never a thought nor a need for mail delivery, a few people who could easily drive distances to pick up mail or to a few scattered CBU's on the main roads.

Times have changed and I believe the Watumull’s will understand.

[Patricia]

A little history and then I will not address this "off topic" or KP's comments anymore (apologies in advance for the length).

At one point KP and I used to be friendly. We were involved in trying to take down the "bad board" and challenge the ex-GM. Just as now, I was pretty vocal, conducted a great deal of research (though I had just begun my HPPOA work) and was attending meetings that included, KP and others. At this time, I was confused about HPPOA suing itself, as I did not know or understand about the HPPC (Hawaiian Paradise Park Corporation- Watumull's company) and the details regarding the Road Maintenance Committee were hazy at best. In fact few of the people, with whom I was talking,  attending meetings, and exchanging info, had any idea about the details involved that led to the creation of HPP, PHH, and eventually HPPOA.

As is my way, I RESEARCHED and had come (at that time) to a not fully informed opinion that HPP was a planned community and that 421J applied. At this same time KP, I, and others, took on the "bad board" and the ex-GM. In fact, I only started FB pages because KP felt it would be a good way to gain support and push on the "bad board" and ex-GM. And it worked- with the help of BODs Finley, Marquez, and Hoffman (whom, at the time we all called the 3 musketeers).

AS I CONTINUED TO RESEARCH...

The "bad board" was relegated to a minority. The ex-GM who ALWAYS stated that HPPOA was a "road maintenance association" was terminated. And my CONTINUED R3SEARCH revealed a startling truth- the GM though not completely correct, had been A LOT more right than I As in, 421J was NOT applicable to HPP or HPPOA at all.

So, to all of you who say that I never admit when I am  wrong? Raspberry to you. Because I WAS WRONG, VERY WRONG. And when I took the information regarding the truth about HPP and HPPOA to Finley and Hoffman (with whom I had at one time been friendly) I was completely ignored, followed by a push to "convince" me to change my mind, and when that didnt work a continued group effort to discredit and ridicule me publicly. And ALL of this was done because the TRUTH did not fit with the "Three Muskateers," KP's, or the other board supporters GOAL, which was and is, to make HPPOA a "proper" home owners association.

I know a lot about planned communities. I know a lot about 421J. I know a lot because I was the one that researched them, long before HPPOA hired their troop of attorneys. I know about them, because I BELIEVED they actually applied to HPP and HPPOA. But they don't. I WAS WRONG.

There is a lot more involved in all of this. But I am tired of KP and her incessant and unnecessary attacks. IF she wishes to keep holding onto the 421J dream and the "planned community" fallacy, so be it. I at one time believed the same- even vigorously argued IN SUPPORT OF IT.

However, being a researcher I know that sometimes we do not always find what we want to find. Sometimes the information we dig up is unpleasant, sometimes it simply does not support what we want. Either way, when you research, TRULY RESEARCH because you want to know the truth, those are the "risks" a researcher takes. There is ALWAYS the risk that you were/are WRONG. And I am here to admit it.

AGAIN, I WAS WRONG. HPP IS NOT A PLANNED COMMUNITY. AND 421J DOES NOT APPLY TO HPPOA.

And KP, you can spin it however way you want to, answer however way you want to, tell people what a horrible person I am (a "hater"), do whatever you want to. But it will never change the fact THAT I WAS WRONG.

[KPHawaii]

Patricia wrote:

And ALL of this was done because the TRUTH did not fit with the "Three Muskateers," KP's, or the other board supporters GOAL, which was and is, to make HPPOA a "proper" home owners association.

I do not know one single person mentioned above who wants to make HPPOA a 'proper' homeowners association. That is your opinion and it's WRONG. Please stay with FACTS, as you always beg, or prove it, as I've always asked.

AGAIN, I WAS WRONG. HPP IS NOT A PLANNED COMMUNITY. AND 421J DOES NOT APPLY TO HPPOA.

You could be WRONG or you could be right. This is yet to be determined.

And KP, you can spin it however way you want to, answer however way you want to, tell people what a horrible person I am (a "hater"), do whatever you want to. But it will never change the fact THAT I WAS WRONG.

I don't need to spin anything or tell anyone about you. You have done that on your own.

My apologies if I've not responded correctly as PW intends. I'm still figuring out the right ways to respond.

[Moderator 2]

My apologies if I've not responded correctly as PW intends. I'm still figuring out the right ways to respond.

Perfect!
Copy a sentence or two from the comment you are replying too, make it bold, italicized, different color, etc
Write your comment in normal font.  As you did.

It’s simple, to the point.
Hopefully everyone will follow suit.

[KPHawaii]

Perfect!
Copy a sentence or two from the comment you are replying too, make it bold, italicized, different color, etc
Write your comment in normal font.  As you did.

It’s simple, to the point.
Hopefully everyone will follow suit.

Thank you. I will get it right eventually.

[MyManao]

MyManao, one thing I have noted..

And that is why you are not appreciated.. YOU DON'T LISTEN TO ANYONE!

You and Julie are EXACTLY the same.. twins, clones, and I expect every nuance about the two of you is EXACTLY the same. Sheesh, I doubt Barney could tell you apart.

I do listen,.. and take to heart. Not that I agree.. but self reflection is a part of life.. a part you have never, seemingly, learned. You and Julie could be one person fighting with themselves as far as I can tell. And you're both such control freaks.. ie Julie's NEED to tell everyone how they should post.. be accountable and all that.. she can't handle people acting different than herself and NEEDS to control them.. their behavior.. and judges them for it.. she's a control freak.. as are you.

So.. why not try shutting up once in a while? Both of you. Can you do THAT?

I doubt it.