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Keystone Cops...in Keaau
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12-17-2012, 07:41 AM
OMG! What a huge time waster for you, Carey. And now more to come, as you have to get them to correct that you were not the occupant of the car. What a sad situation it is when the supposed facts on the record are totally wrong. Keep us up to date with the next steps, and good luck.
hawaiideborah
12-17-2012, 04:57 PM
U N B E L I E V A B L E ! ! ! ! [:0]
He who hoots with owls at night cannot soar with the eagles in the morning.
12-17-2012, 05:37 PM
It gets even better, unfortunately
Did talk to both the officers superior & the asst police chief, Major Apele, asking for a correction on the report stating that I was an occupant (insurance agent already told us that would not be good for us) & to get a copy of the 911 call (got 3 totally different tales on how to get that 911 report...something tells me it will get "lost" before this is over....) I did find out that there are not supposed to be any chases within residential area (Major Apele actually asked if I had seen the chase, I reminded him that my call to him was reiterate that I had been asleep & NOT in the vehicle, so no, I did not see it, he then asked me HOW I KNEW THERE WAS A CHASE... I recounted that the neighbor was an eyewitness, other neighbors had heard the car chase, the 911 operator knew, AND THE OFFICER SAID HE WAS IN A CHASE....so unless all of those were all wrong, I had to suppose there was a chase....) Major Apele also has probably never gotten a police report from his dept., as he assured me that there were 24 clerks in the records dept.....talked again to Diza (have talked to her every other day to get this joke of a report) & yes, she assured me again that there is only one clerk to process the vehicle reports & one to process the criminal reports...so I have no idea what the other 22 clerks do in the records dept...& it appears neither does Major Apele!!!! Now to wait to see... tonight they are supposed to have a meeting with the reporting officer.... and call me... All I really wanted was for a report that would not raise red flags to my insurance company, after having a fence & car damaged due to a police chase......any one wanna bet that now I will have "extra special" police issues to deal with until they tire of the game??? the neighbor who was the eyewitness saw the vehicle later while at work last week (he is a also a county civil servant...) - called in to the police - was told that they are not looking for that vehicle anymore.... ADDED: Interesting....police chase a vehicle into my fence & car.... & I should call a lawyer... probably true... but it does seem wayyyyy wrong!!! 
12-17-2012, 06:07 PM
Jeez, I'm so sorry Carey. "Keystone Cops" really does seem to be an appropriate title.
Tom http://apacificview.blogspot.com/
12-17-2012, 08:09 PM
11:48pm. An officer shows up at my house, with no prior call - our new surveillance alerts me...I call the Puna station, the supervisor states that he told the reporting officer to call & set up a time to come out.... instead the reporting officer just shows up at 11:48 pm without calling first....
For obvious reasons, I decided it was best to have him return to the station & have a conference call with his supervisor.... Are these guys really for real???? this guy seems to not have a clue...
12-18-2012, 01:12 AM
Sorry for your troubles and I understand your need for a proper report for insurance purposes. I suspected policy had something to do with your report issues, such as you just mentioned. Here's the best case scenario to consider before causing the cop too much grief:
You have a young cop who is not yet a burn out and still wishes to be proactive and catch bad guys. He's been watching a dirt bag and, based on his observations, believes the dirt bag (we'll call him DB) is currently transporting drugs or stolen property. YC (young cop) tries to pull DB over for a traffic infraction but DB flees. YC pursues DB a short distance, knowing pursuit in a residential area is technically a violation of policy, and for that reason doesn't report being involved in a pursuit, assuming the pursuit even lasts long enough to report it during the event. He also knows that the "no residential pursuit" policy is written because residential areas commonly have children and other pedestrians out in the yards and streets. Of course he also realizes that the policy was written with daytime and early evening hours in mind, not late night or early morning hours when few people are out. YC figures if he can catch DB he can he can use a minor traffic infraction for the initial stop, hopefully make an arrest on the suspected criminal activity, and never mention the technically illegal pursuit. DB's crashing into your car and fence while hiding was a complication YC wasn't prepared for. He, incorrectly, thinks he can cover your needs by reporting the incident as a simple crash. (For an old report writing expert like me it would have been easy) He is no longer currently interested in DB as he knows that by now DB no longer has the contraband, whatever it was, in his vehicle. He certainly has no interest in writing it up as a pursuit. Now YC is caught in a trick bag as 1) you're alleging to his superiors that he was involved in an unauthorized pursuit and 2) He improperly or worse falsely reported an incident. Technically YC was wrong. However, before you cause him too much grief bear in mind that he may be one of the few cops out there trying to be proactive and catch DB and his fellow dirt bags and bagettes. Next time he might not be interested in being proactive and take no interest in observing the thieves and tweekers. He might feel it's safer, career wise, to just answer calls and take reports. He would be correct. But remember, your proactive cops that actually prevent and solve crimes and catch DBs are going to be commonly operating at the edge of policy and law. That's just the way it is. I could be wrong. Pua`a S. FL Big Islander to be.
Pua`a
S. FL Big Islander to be.
12-18-2012, 03:35 AM
Why would it EVER be OK to put me as an occupant of my vehicle when I was not in my car, or anywhere near it????
On the report, he put his name as the reporting officer & supervising officer, is that ever OK??? (this is the one thing that the supervisor said has to be changed!) Is it ever OK to show up at the home of a victim to just meet with them to correct a report, close to midnight, knowing they sleep at night, without calling first to arrange a meeting close midnight, esp. when your supervisor tells you to call first? Sorry, that is not what I would accept as OK under any circumstance... Added: in a county where the police provide their vehicle, MAYBE THE PROACTIVE ONES SHOULD GET THE MODERN POLICE EQUIPMENT WITH THE MONEY THE TAXPAYERS SUPPLY THEM EVERY MONTH - If this officer had properly equipped his vehicle with modern proactive equipment, HE WOULD HAVE HAD THE VEHICLE he was following ID'd!!!!
12-18-2012, 05:00 AM
Yet more evidence the "police officer" is here not for your safety - but to protect the interest of the ruling elite.
I wouldn't ever expect help from a police officer or department - their main role in our society today is to spread fear and intimidate you to comply to the rules/laws written by the ruling elite to maintain and secure their wealth. We ( you and me all of us not "ruling elite" ) are literally property or assets for the ruling elite. The laws we follow and continue to make more of only serve to keep us (the elites asset) working as productively as we can, not for our safety) Ever ask yourself why there are no safety belts for our children on the school bus ? Sometimes it takes an incident like this for people to wake up and smell the fascism. Cheers rainyjim
12-18-2012, 05:04 AM
quote:I never said it was ok. Hit and run v unoccupied vehicle would have worked. quote:Probably not a big deal and likely a mistake. I would expect the shift supervisor to review all reports generated in his/her zone every shift regardless, or should. quote:Should have called first but that probably would have delayed it another day as the cop probably works 11pm to 7am or something like that. Midnights are probably his world and he mistakenly hoped you would still be active at that hour. Should have called. quote:Yeah, but in most places the good stuff is handed out based on seniority or the good ol' boy system. Rarely is it distributed based upon who would use it most effectively. quote:In the past I was responsible for budgeting and procuring that stuff. It's very expensive. An officer is not going to be able to purchase it on his own or as part of the normal vehicle allowance as it works there. Yes, in some places all patrol cars are equipped with all of that cool stuff you envision, but in reality, most patrol cars aren't. Had he had the equipment the suspect car might have been identified but maybe not. It doesn't work as well as on TV. I'm not trivializing your experience, at least I'm not trying to. All I'm suggesting is that there could be more involved than you realize and I hate to see a young enthusiastic officer get beat down prematurely. It will happen soon enough regardless. But whatever, it's no skin off mine! Pua`a S. FL Big Islander to be.
Pua`a
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