Police Encounter With Hawaiian National in Pahoa

[Wao nahele kane]

In the early 2000's
You can hear about some of the information within this video. http://garybaumgarten.blogspot.com/2008/...e-for.html
http://hawaiiankingdom.org/info-nationals.shtml

[Derrick Barnicoat]

Does he really not have a license or is he just refuse to show a license?

That detail makes a difference to me because I believe if you are born in this country there is no reason you should have to supply an id. on command unless the law enforcement officer provides you with a reason why you are being stopped. If they have a a valid reason then yes provide an id so they can get on with their job. But I personally have been in situations where I am randomly asked to prove myself to the police for no good reason. They could have told me that I fit a description or something but if you ask them why you are being stopped they never give an answer. That is a violation of my rights as a U.S. citizen. Suppose I did not drive, then should I carry my passport at all times inside the country that I was born in? Do I get this harassment because my skin is brown? There have been times when I did not have a license because I did not drive a car and I was stopped by the police and they wasted my time arguing that I will be arrested because I have no id. I had to let them know that I will not carry a passport just because I am brown and look like I might be foreign to them. This is supposed to be a free country not a police state. If they think I have committed a crime then let me know and do what you have to do, but if they don't tell me why I am being questioned then they I will not identify myself. They don't need to know me. This isn't a police state or maybe it is.

[Punatic007]

My friends of Polynesian heritage (what we call native Hawaiian are Tahitian immigrants from about 500 yrs ago) are repulsed and humiliated by this type of behavior. They don't play victim, scam on the welfare system or expect free money from the government. Decent people have dignity and do not think the "haole" owes them a living. They have taught me that we are all immigrants here, no one has the right to lay claim to anything. These are lazy people who want what is not theirs, they have no respect for anyone but themselves. Bad people, bad energy.

All of history is wrought with inequities, in this case it came from the sons of the missionaries who lobbied with hidden agendas. Not coming from the American government, that is crystal clear in most all documents from succession time with international witnesses. Trying to go back into ones ancestral past, currently with mixed races, many of them with caucasian ancestry as well and try to lay claim and disrespect everyone who doesn't agree with them is over the top childish and immature behavior. It's the very definition of stealing.

This is what I have learned from my friends of what these "activists" would claim as true Hawaiian ancestry. They will have no part of it and are quite offended.

[opihikao]

Thank you all for your thoughts on this. I also appreciate our police who have a tough job in Puna.

The young man states "Maui cops know, and just let us go" (not verbatim, but the gist). This statement is curious to me. Each County does have some leeway on individual issues, but this statement doesn't seem completely accurate.

A while ago (maybe a year now), Uncle Robert was visited by the current Police Chief and the Prosecuting Attorney regarding this exact issue. In essence, the message was that the Hawaiian Kingdom license and plates would not be recognized, and would be confiscated. I thought it very respectful for them to personally talk with Uncle. He was not pleased, but was advised respectfully.

The Hawaiian officer who spoke Hawaiian to these young men, was merely asking them if they spoke Hawaiian. Both said "no". The Sergeant handled it extremely well, as did the other officers, for the most part.

Such a waste of our tax dollars, and police time, especially nowadays with so much else going on.

It would be interesting to know how this ended.

Thanks again for your mana'o.

JMO.

[Wao nahele kane]

When you sign for your license you agree to present it upon demand of a law enforcement officer when operating a motor vehicle.

[ironyak]

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Originally posted by Wao nahele kane

In the early 2000's
You can hear about some of the information within this video. http://garybaumgarten.blogspot.com/2008/...e-for.html
http://hawaiiankingdom.org/info-nationals.shtml

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The 2001 Larsen v Hawaiian Kingdom case you seem to be indirectly referencing specifically did NOT resolve this issue as the US did not participate so there was no opposing view. See the Kingdom of Hawaii video http://vimeo.com/17007826

Also note that the case was heard in the Permanent Court of Arbitration, not the Permanent Court of International Justice which is the venue in The Hague most people are familiar with. Arbitration is not the same as a court of justice.

[Wao nahele kane]

When it boils down to it, we're all victims of those crimes committed years ago by some representatives of the United States. In the here and now, we're stuck with the outcome and I doubt much will or can change. The time to stop it was under the last ruler of the Monarchy, now it's a lost cause IMO.
Unless the United States pulls out of Hawaii, there's not much chance in resurrecting the old Kingdom.

ETA... Maybe the acting government of the Hawaiian Kingdom can use the world courts to persuade the USA to stop the application of the Jones act in Hawaii and other similar type of state type matters.

[ckg]

This was really interesting to watch. Wow! Certainly something to think about on both sides. Hawaiians nationals were conquered from my understanding but what about the cops. Where does the rights of the conquered group (could have easily been native Americans on the mainland) begin and end? What if the crime was a capital crime by US standards and police did not interfere? Both sides I think handled things well. The guys in the car could have just as easily have been hardened criminals and every cop think just that in any traffic stop since they never know what they are going to get. Amazing restraint.

[StephenKearney]

While I'm not unsympathetic to the cause of the Hawaiian nationalists, I don't think the laws that the police in the video are trying to uphold are about suppression or domination. They are about making sure that anyone who operates a vehicle on the public roads has received training and will be responsible in case of an accident. Having a license and insurance is part of the social contract; it ensures that victims of accidents will have restitution and those at fault will be held responsible. IMHO if the Hawaiian nationalists are really serious they should set up a parallel system of institutions and laws that provide at least the same guarantees of a civil society. Turning a traffic stop into a political confrontation is not going to achieve their goals.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

It's best not confuse your right to TRAVEL unobstructed, with a mythical right to drive unobstructed. Otherwise in addition to people believing they can just get in a car, turn the key and go wherever they want to, we would get situations like this, with drivers enjoying their freedom, and inalienable right to:

Drive their D9 dozer down 130 at rush hour to get to their next job. Who needs trailers?
Send their 12 year old to pick up some snacks at the Wiki with the Chevy.
Roads and highways filled with Vespas, ATV's, motorized skateboards, etc.
Arguments that a speed limit interferes with rights to drive unimpeded by time constraints.
Arguments that limiting drivers to the right lane on the road interferes with their freedom to choose their own best route of travel.

If the guy in the video had to get somewhere, he is perfectly within his rights to take the bus, call a cab, or a friend. He is fully capable of traveling in freedom in a legal manner.