06-30-2015, 06:25 PM
One Thing I can always be sure of is that things will never go as expected.
TMT Work to Resume Says Ige!
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06-30-2015, 06:25 PM
One Thing I can always be sure of is that things will never go as expected.
07-01-2015, 04:30 AM
I went ahead and clicked snorkels link, it takes you to a website called the onion. Though I didn't read the entire article I did skim through it and it does indeed mention a newly discovered planet. However, I was at a loss as to some of the word choice used by the author and ultimatey was left wondering if this actually happened or was some kind of a joke. That said I could probably google the name of the planet and find out but I really don't care.
Thanks though snorkle - interesting if somewhat / completely off topic.
07-01-2015, 02:49 PM
Just released Wednesday afternoon.
Hawaii Attorney General Doug Chin: "We respect those who choose to exercise their First Amendment rights within the boundaries of the law. What the State cannot allow is for people to take the law into their own hands. Our courts are the proper place for people to seek legal remedies. Mauna Kea is a protected conservation district, forest reserve and hunting area. While we appreciate the effort of volunteers who helped clean up the summit road, the actions of certain individuals in the past week led to the University of Hawaii’s closure of the road. Deliberately building a rock wall in the middle of a road without warning threatens public safety. Purposely placing boulders in a road could get someone killed. Commercial activities and camping in this protected area without a permit are against State regulations." "This is not a statement against the content of the protest, but the conduct," said Chin. "I am working with the Governor, the University of Hawaii, and the departments of land and natural resources and public safety and will take all lawful steps to see the road re-opened with safe access to all."
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
07-01-2015, 06:55 PM
A couple of articles piqued my interest today. First one by Andrew Cooper, an engineer at the Kecks and an extraordinarily talented amateur astronomer. He's stopped observing on Mauna Kea recently:
http://darkerview.com/wordpress/?p=16020 (same article was posted here - http://www.civilbeat.com/connections/bri...the-stars/ "Even in the isolated places away from the protest camp the peace of the mountain has been shattered. The dissension and animosity has changed this place. Right or wrong I have come to blame the protesters for this. When the protests first arrived I waved as I passed the camp each day, I made occasion to talk. I find I can no longer do that, I resent what they have done to the mountain I have come to love. Many I have met have truly exemplified the Kapu Aloha, but so many do not. Their understandable frustration has fermented into something unsettling." And this evening this one about the hit local tour companies are taking: http://westhawaiitoday.com/news/local-ne...r-business "“We’ve already lost $50,000 for this,” Sessions said. “We have people collecting temporary unemployment.”" Now there are complaints about the VIS being closed as well as the restrooms. Frankly, I feel they should have been closed to the protesters when feces were smeared on the VIS restroom walls and VIS staff had to deal with clear intimidation when the protest first started. Edited for clarification.
07-01-2015, 09:43 PM
Probably a very good idea to close the road to everyone. Sure would not want to see or hear of any more of the brave protectors being hit by the added visitors or working crews traffic. I believe we already had a police or security vehicle hit a gentleman walking up maunakea road in prayer this past week, shame. The unpredictability of the TMT project moving forward, makes for another possible standoff any day. The added traffic that visitors and observatory workers can bring, would only increase the risk of other pedestrian accidents or road side dangers to occur, jmo. like loose rocks, roadside hazards, or getting stuck near the summit with no way down if the road becomes people blocked again the next time TMT tries to push their way to work. Safety should be practiced, planned, and a serious priority from the ALOHA state,jmo.
07-01-2015, 09:59 PM
"I believe we already had a police or security vehicle hit a gentleman walking up maunakea road in prayer this past week, shame."
There was indeed a "hit and run" incident the other day that involved a protester and a vehicle driving to the summit. However, it was not your usual hit and run incident in which the driver of the vehicle hits someone and drives off. In this case it was the other way round and a fist ended up in the driver's side mirror. But it was done with aloha.
07-02-2015, 04:23 AM
The problem I see with TMT, and with other issues frankly, is that blind hatred of America has become fashionable and cool. People use the rights we have in America to attack anything and everything that is symbolic of America. TMT is not just a telescope, it is a symbol of American technological and scientific excellence that such people feel must be attacked and taken down. This TMT issue will continue to escalate until the state moves in with serious push-back and rule of law that has been totally absent to date.
--------------------------- You can't fix Samsara.
07-02-2015, 04:41 AM
"if the road becomes blocked again"...You mean if the protesters repeat their illegal blockade, booby-trapping, and vandalism of the road. Keep in mind posts above in which Kahookahi Kanuha claims to be the voice of the protesters when he says that won't happen again because of how concerned the protesters are for everyone's safety. I must say it is a rare and refreshing foray into reality for you to acknowledge the likelihood and predictability of further illegal activity on the part of the protesters.
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