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Helicopters make a lot of noise
In the 50's they were unbearable
Give it time - new quieter models arrive every year
Maybe what we need is a decibel level we can all live with....
notice how the little tiny egg beaters make much more noise than the Blue Hawaiian units....
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I just spoke with a staff person from Rep. Hanohano's office who unenthusiastically took my comments about the excessive helicopter traffic while trying to get off the line with me at the same time. I called two days ago and left a message with my number asking for a call back which never happened. I sense our Representative is not interested in her constituents problems in regard to this particular issue. At least Senator Ruderman's staff politely listened to my comments. I'm interested to hear who else has tried to contact any of our elected officials on this matter and what their response was.
I know it doesn't always seem so but every bit of public pressure does help. I know with enough people making waves, this will change, big money or no.
FYI-I am in no way against tourism in Hawaii or helicopters and their tours or any other business trying to make a living. I just want my peace and privacy in my own home.
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Hey Ilan, here's a few FAA contacts. These guys deal directly with noise issues here on the island. Whether they can do anything about it or not is always a question, but I highly suggest getting in touch with them. Include pictures as attachments. For each have a close-up identifying tail # and company, direction, est altitude, current weather, and a second shot pulled back that shows context. At minimum.
Charles.Cantu@faa.gov
David.S.Ryon@faa.gov
Kyle.M.Bartler@faa.gov
Also, here's the HI CO mayor contact: rcommand@co.hawaii.hi.us
Komrad Kenoi can't bother with the little people, but Bobby Command will respond to you, for sure. He has a lot of info on this topic.
I've written (lately) Tulsi Gabbard and have a letter ready for Russell. In the past Mazie took this on briefly and put some pressure on the FAA, as did various district reps. I tried to followup for a response from Mazie, with no success.
Hanohano could care less. If you're not in her direct ohana... good luck.
There are others, and I'm always firing off something or other towards them about this issue. Despite the fact that everyone seems to take these for granted, I think it's b^%$##it and will continue to make my own kine noise about it, come what will.
And for the record, I'm not against tourism, either. It drives much of what happens here.
Including the politicians. :~/
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I think it needs to be said by those that are thoroughly annoyed by these companies, myself included; I am not interested in putting them out of business, or depriving tourists of this "thrill ride". I've never asked that they don't fly over my property, just don't fly every ten minutes, 30-40 times a day! Is that too much to ask?
I am advocating a more responsible way to do it. I like the heliport near the volcano idea with a limit to cross-over traffic to Hilo.
Forgive me, but I cannot accept the cost argument of this issue. If it takes an additional $50-100 per passenger to burn more fuel to either fly higher or use paths around sub-D's, so be it. We all have to pay more for fuel to get to work, no one worries about how it affects our bottom line.
Our right to peaceful enjoyment of our properties should be sacrificed for their profits? Show me someone who thinks this is okay, and I'll show you someone who doesn't live under their "highway".
Perhaps I'm an idealist and I still believe in the rights of the individual. Yes, they have a right to conduct business, NO they don't have a right to bother me doing it. NO business does. Let's find a compromise. Their way of compromising is ignoring it and hoping those that complain, go away.
The safety aspect of flying off the coast is equally retarded. What's more dangerous, flying 3,000' over water, or doing circles 500' feet over an active volcano?
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"Include pictures as attachments. For each have a close-up identifying tail # and company, direction, est altitude, current weather, and a second shot pulled back that shows context. At minimum."
^ this sounds like it would be difficult to accomplish for even a professional photographer with equipment let alone your average joe.
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"Include pictures as attachments. For each have a close-up identifying tail # and company, direction, est altitude, current weather, and a second shot pulled back that shows context. At minimum."
^ this sounds like it would be difficult to accomplish for even a professional photographer with equipment let alone your average joe.
It is almost impossible, especially when they fly directly overhead.
These are the hoops the FAA will make you jump through to file a complaint for low-flying aircraft. Even with video evidence, they will come back with "insufficient evidence to support your complaint, we consider this matter closed".
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This is difficult to word properly. I am not saying that a helicopter overhead is not a privacy issue. However, the comments above are not factual. From several hundred feet no one can see your thong. They can't even determine whether you are naked or not. I know that your privacy is still compromised but comments such as these are not useful. They tend to alienate people such as myself.
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That was just a joke, the point being we have lots of privacy all around us being surrounded by rainforest, but don't have privacy above us. We should have that right, that expectation of privacy.
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Originally posted by MarkP
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Originally posted by SBH
Wife can't lay out naked by the pool, I can't bend over gardening while only wearing a thong (just kidding).
This is difficult to word properly. I am not saying that a helicopter overhead is not a privacy issue. However, the comments above are not factual. From several hundred feet no one can see your thong. They can't even determine whether you are naked or not. I know that your privacy is still compromised but comments such as these are not useful. They tend to alienate people such as myself.
If the helicopters "always" flew at least "several hundred feet" AGL, noise and privacy would be less of an issue.
Reality: they fly where they want, as low as they want, and there is no enforcement of the "minimum ceiling" (1500 feet per FAA).
It's not just helicopers, either; I've seen small fixed-wing craft do this as well.
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You can always paint your sentiments on the roof of your house !
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