2018 HPP District Elections

[EightFingers]

“The board said they make the final decision on who are qualified candidates...”

Isn’t this a conflict of interest?

[caveat emptor]

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Originally posted by Chunkster

Who's counting the votes?

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Good question. My secrete contact, deeply embedded at the front-lines, says that both of the Association's nominating committee and bylaw committee are pushing for the League of Women Voters. And if you were at the members meeting in Feb. you would have heard a motion for using the League to count the bylaw amendment ballots. Like all motions to forward the bylaw amendments to ballot vote, they passed overwhelmingly.

At the board meeting Wed. night, the same person gave the report for both committees (he is on both committees), so 2 times he said "The League" and in fact he emphasized to the board that The League was voted on by the members almost unanimously.

The bad news is, the board put Patrick MurducK in charge of contacting The League. That is as bad as putting the current board Pres. Craig Crelly in charge of that. Both extreme obstructionists of the Association. Don't be surprised to learn that Murdouche wasn't able to secure The Leagues services.

Why? They are an ethical and professional organization. Those types of people don't work well with disorganized unethical people. The League already has a little history with the severely ethically and morally conflicted Craig Crelly. I heard a story about him many years ago when he ran for election in his district 6 (District 6 people need to know this). He ran against June Conant and the vote was a tie. They were both present with The League and had both decided to determine the election by drawing a straw. Guess what? Crelly lost the draw. From that point on he AND his wife, the failed wannabe politician now working as an employee for HPP, became the enemy of both The League and of June Conant, who eventually became the board Pres. until June 2103.

True story.

And in fact, at the board meeting Crelly was plainly heard telling Murduck, sitting next to him, that little story. Except it wasn't quite factually repeated.

[mermaid53]

The Nominating Committee requested the League of Women Voters to do the ballot counting. Interestingly, at that point the board pres turned to Dist6 Murdoch and started to relay his personal bad experience w/LOWV...which made evident why HPP hasn't hired the LOWV while Crelly's been on the board during his 3 yr term. It sure appeared that he was trying to influence the decision to not use them. Someone from the peanut gallery blurted out that his comment was inappropriate, to which a 2nd member in the peanut gallery concurred. Dist6 Murdoch was charged w/contacting the LOWV to get pricing and availability. The board approved up to $1000 expenditure. Now, since Crelly's back on the board filling a vacancy for Dist3, we'll see what happens this year.

Also recommended by the NC was to have the ballots inserted into envelopes this year. Again, while C Crelly and R Mizuba have been on the board, they have used the tri-fold method and scotch tape to seal, and of course Dist2 R Mizuba suggested we go that way again. The NC replied that there have been issues in the past using this system. Many members weren't getting their ballots. P Murdoch said it had to do with bad addresses... which is an inaccurate broad stroke reply. Even running candidates in past elections didn't get ballots...everyone knew at least a few people who didn't get their ballots, and multiply that number.... It's flimsy and can easily get damaged in transport or be misidentified as a marketing mailer. Let's hope they use their common sense this year and make the right decision. If they don't have the money, which is crazy to even suggest this, they can always use R Mizuba's $100,000 mailbox project monies.

8Fingers, YES it most definitely is a conflict of interest. This is why our bylaws give the directives to the Nominating Committee, a Membership committee NOT board committee, to qualify candidates. District elections are membership business and the board and office employees are not to undermine this event by interfering, obstructing, meddling....

[New to HPP]

Thanks to all for the information. I read through old Puna Talk topics that had to do with HPP, I probably should have read this before buying in HPP. It does seem that Ruth Mizuba makes decisions that don’t align with the HPP bylaws and when it is brought to her attention she does not care. I didn’t see anything regarding Mary Couch so it would be nice to hear about how she sees the board running. The board and staff seem to insert themselves in things that are Membership decisions and from what I read are ignoring votes taken by the membership. I hope that the person who wrote that things might change in July is correct and new members will make a difference. Does anyone know if there will be any kind of forum for members to come and hear the candidates speak before the election.

[mermaid53]

Aloha New to HPP...what you saw at the board meeting was typical w/this same cast of characters, some for over 3 yrs now. Enough of this nonsense and non transparency of OUR monies. It's amazing that many identify the blatant conflict of interest yet these majority board members say there is none. This isn't a healthy way of doing business as it affects all business negatively by causing mistrust.

Yes you can learn a lot by reading past board and membership meeting minutes and the HPP threads here on PT.

The current pres and VP have often said over the past 3 yrs, "Members don't matter, the board can do whatever they want"...OR "It doesn't matter that the membership voted, they're just advisory, we make the final decisions." Their 3 yr old mantra makes evident what their mission is and it's not in OUR best interests.

More often than not, anything the membership votes for gets squashed and there's absolutely NO reason to say NO, as they represent US. If the funds are there, if it's not adverse to our Articles of Incorp, our bylaws or state law, absolutely NO REASON to say NO. No forensic analysis for you!!! We voted for this in Oct 2017...5 mos later we voted for it at the Feb 2018 membership meeting and the majority board is stalling...the ballots are supposed to be mailed by April 11 to the entire membership.

Here's the link to the current seated board reps:
http://www.hppoa.net/executive-informati...directors/

If you see any reruns in this election from this board and you want change to what's been going on for the past 3 yrs.....

The Nominating Committee asked the board to secure the Activity Center to hold a "Meet the Candidates Forum" on April 29th from 6-7:30 PM. Hope to see you there!

[leo]

It's amazing that many identify the blatant conflict of interest yet these majority board members say there is none. This isn't a healthy way of doing business as it affects all business negatively by causing mistrust.

It is a blatant conflict of interest. This guy has some nerve to sit on the board and to think he tried to sign up for another term? It says he's in it for himself, F the association. If he had any decency he'd resign right now. Look what's happened to our roads everyone's got humongous potholes. What's going on with our money only the board knows. He's done a huge disservice good riddance. If the board overrides his disqualification, DON'T VOTE for this guy in district six or expert more of the same board crap, same pothole roads. It's got to stop here now.

[Old Croc]

I wonder if the ballots for a non-Crelly-approved candidate will be counted.

[mermaid53]

New to HPP, you said you were at the board meeting which means you observed both of your district 2 candidates giving reports. I'll post some of the information here so others can hear what's going on w/the mailbox committees.

Dist2 R Mizuba right out of the gate said the Members Mailbox Committee was circumventing her board mailbox committee. As you heard, after several minutes complaining about them, she started her report. They hired an attorney who told them the only restriction for the deed restricted land is they can't build residential structures. R Mizuba said they have $100,000 that was earmarked several yrs ago. Someone in the peanut gallery later asked her to post the attorney letter on the website. The deed being black and white only parks and schools, it'd be good for the members to see the attorney letter themselves. She agreed to have the letter posted. The board's mailbox committee has no recent meeting minutes on the website and don't have scheduled meetings so members can attend = no transparency.

Mary Couch gave her report during owner input since the board wouldn't put the Members Mailbox Committee on the agenda as she requested. She said they are researching many options. That their committee is trying to be transparent...they have meeting minutes but the board won't post them on the website. They welcome members to attend their meetings but the board won't let them schedule meetings on the HPP calendar. They're on a walk in basis only. The office staff has told them that the board has to approve them first. The bylaws say because the membership voted to form this committee, they are 100% legit. The board doesn't have to "approve" this committee and appears to be undermining the membership's vote.

So you got to see both your candidates in action at the board meeting...

[leo]

I wonder if the ballots for a non-Crelly-approved candidate will be counted.

I wouldn't be surprised if something underhanded happens Old Croc. It's hard not to be a pessimist after observing the shady pattern that's been going on. A friend of mine was on the board and said undeniably there was an election fraud a couple years ago when this same president and vice president were on the board. Same people stopped the forensic audit so far. When you put all the pieces together, something really stinks. Is it only about maintaining power, or something more devious? This election has the capability of making some big changes if new people are voted into district 6 and 2.

[leo]

What's the latest with the election? Is the board going to generate another fraudulent election? It's already starting to stink like one from the rumblings going on around the park.