Hawaii Recreational Marijuana Bill In Legislature

[Obie]

I don't see a gaffe and she was talking about geothermal at the end.

The person who wrote the question was po'd about the Health Department not doing a geothermal health study.

[ironyak]

The "gaffe" starts right around 2 minutes where Joy says that the DoH has their hands full coming up with the MJ dispensary guidelines and we'll have to wait on them finishing that before they can be talked to about dengue, rat lungworm, and other health issues. All of which just reinforces the original complaint that DoH lacks the resources to actually address the health issues in Puna (which is not a lack of medical marijuana because of the missing dispensaries).

I've had my conversations with Joy during the recent lava flow and was unimpressed with her opinion that the County should be doing things differently, but her unwillingness to actually take any action to address the shortcomings.

So to echo Chuckster - "can anyone list some specific legislative accomplishments of Joy's that have come to fruition"?

[Frank]

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Originally posted by Obie

Hawai‘i Cannabis Legalization Bill Dies


http://bigislandnow.com/2019/03/01/canna...bill-dies/

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The right people are not staged just yet...

[reni]

"The right people are not staged just yet..."

agree, this is big business, which of course is about the right people profiting.

Just got back from a trip to the mainland....part of the visit was to Whidbey Is. Wa, where we used to own several homes. The area is still prospering.... cost of real estate continues to rise.... the society appeared to be the same. It was odd seeing so many Cannabis shops along our journey... Legalizing mj certainly has not turned Whidbey Island on a path to ruin .

[MarkD]

Anyone interested in pot (on any angle) ought to watch this Joe Rogan discussion with the author of "Tell Your Children: The Truth About Marijuana, Mental Illness, and Violence"

http://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/po...chael-hart

There is probably merit in the author's claim, but likely only a very small percentage of the population is susceptible to this. What the author is much more correct on is pointing out that that marijuana is not some kind of wondrous painkiller.

IMO, he's right is asserting that most people who toke up just want to get high. I have no problem with smoking pot--am a formerly heavy doper from my college days--but it is evident that pot's pain killing benefits are way exaggerated and were used as a false path to decriminalization.

Does pot have been benefit on pain relief? Sure, and so does booze and many other intoxicants. Get high--and you are distracted from pain. Not truly relieved from pain in the same way that opiates--the real McCoy--work.

Pot is very bad for adolescents, and is probably best avoided until mid-20s (as is discussed in the Rogan interview). But how many young people who are inclined to try pot will wait that long?

And hopefully we don't have anyone arguing that legalization will not translate into more use.

[kalakoa]

Government will only allow studies that show marijuana to be harmful, so we are woefully ignorant of the various effecs.

Opiates enjoy the "legitimacy" of doctors, pharma, insurance ... but they are no less harmful, and possibly worse.

[dan d]

So mark,from what experience do u get that pot doesnt help pain but opiates do???.?.?
As a former 30 + year user of pharmacy opiates and now off all of them for 2 months, i can categorically tell u that opium wiil mask not only ur pain but ur mental state at the same time. 420 if properly dispensed does indeed indeed decrease pain.
Try it and see.
Aloha


HPP

[My 2 cents]

Not to mention ADDICTIVE....as in EXTREMELY PHYSICALLY ADDICTIVE!!

Nevermind the "gateway drug". Just skip over it and go straight to the "real McCoy".

[MarkD]

dan d: what experience do u get that pot doesnt help pain but opiates do???.?.?

Response: Regrettably, there is a lack of high-quality data that shows marijuana for most medical purposes is both safe and effective. What little evidence exists is of poor quality....

This statement is from the following link Medical Marijuana: Where is the evidence? and is a point author Alex Berenson made in his interview with Joe Rogan. This link cites a lot of stats.

If people want to relieve pain without opiates (they have an extraordinary capacity to relieve pain), maybe they should be using CBD, the cannabis derivative that does not get you high. If marijuana-based chemicals do help with pain, that will work as well as normal marijuana.

But generally most people use pot are not content with that--they want to get high too.

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My 2 cents (Opiates are) EXTREMELY PHYSICALLY ADDICTIVE!!

Opiates are indeed addictive, but many millions of people have used mild versions like Vicodin without becoming addicted. The total opiates addiction rate is way less than 50%; it's probably less than 15%. And most of the hardcore addiction is caused primarily by dangerous street drugs, e.g., heroin.

Intoxicating drugs are a difficult topic. There is a lot of drug demonization going on (essential to any war on drugs).

We ought to be honest about all aspects of intoxicants, particularly now that we legalizing marijuana under the specious claims (above).

Many people, particularly the elderly, suffer from chronic pain. (Younger people, for the most part, ought to “man-up” with their pain issues. They are more capable of it.) There is a role for mild opiate use for people with chronic pain issues.

[My 2 cents]

Common side effects of Vicodin include:

lightheadedness,
dizziness,
anxiety,
nausea,
vomiting,
upset stomach,
drowsiness,
constipation,
headache,
mood changes,
blurred vision,
ringing in your ears,
dry mouth, and
difficulty urinating.

Tell your doctor if you have serious side effects of Vicodin including shallow breathing, slow heartbeat, fainting, confusion, fear, unusual thoughts or behavior, seizures (convulsions), upper stomach pain, itching, loss of appetite, dark urine, clay-colored stools, or yellowing of the skin or eyes (jaundice).

This is not a complete list of side effects and others may occur.

https://www.rxlist.com/vicodin-side-effe...center.htm

Good thing this is just a "mild version".