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Factors which embolden & discourage thieves
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12-12-2008, 09:18 AM
The punishments in Hawaii are so low... any perps would be out of jail within 2-3 months doing it again.
My belief... is these are crimes of opportunity and there are many more then just a few people doing it. ------- My Blog 
12-12-2008, 09:32 AM
I agree, at this stage, if people are sitting back waiting for the police to receive funding for it, hope they have a soft rear.
The first time I saw this in action (outside the bait car); it was a builder who was having their appliances stolen. They purchased a unit; put it inside the microwave that was still in the box. Within hours of leaving the site it triggered. Within another 30 minutes the police had pulled over the thief. By the end of the weekend, 6 arrests were made. Now it took some pleading on the phone to get the police to grasp what was going on, but once they understood, it became a challenge to trap the thief. I know that’s one of the things people are told in preparation to alert the police before hand and work through the details. Of course needless to say, if they respond to a theft and you don’t press charges, you can forget about any assistance ever again. This wasn’t a long drawn out process. The builder simple purchased the unit and monitored it. The police responded when notified. Thieves are behind bars. There is also a national tracking service that acts on the purchasers behalf and notifies the police for you. It's similar to alarm monitoring. I'm sure there's a builder or construction company that would be willing to get the ball rolling if asked and told of the advantages. At the very lease, if it's privately purchases, you don't have to worry about it ending up in Kona all the time watching the gnome on the lawn of some politician. But most important: It also sends a clear message to law enforcement and prosecutors that we the people are willing to put our money where our mouths are.
12-12-2008, 09:56 AM
Well stated.
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12-13-2008, 11:33 AM
quote: I dunno, and I've only been here a year but I've heard from 'many' others that it's hard to get some (of course not all) cops to go after these criminals because so many people here are connected in one way or another. Is this not the case?
12-13-2008, 11:41 AM
Iboost,thank you for answering.I don't know either and hopefully will never have to find out.
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12-13-2008, 11:56 AM
I agree this is a really, really scary thought. I was only repeating what I've heard from 'many' folks that have lived here for 25-30 years.
12-13-2008, 05:00 PM
iboost, before going on, what is the significance of your name?
We're all from somewhere, and if you went home you'd see cops you know and remember. If a local from here moved over there, they'd watch him somewhat more than you, and he could say the same thing about your neighborhood cops. This could be just human nature or at worst racism. Are you insinuating that our cops are racist? Do you boost?
Gordon J Tilley
12-13-2008, 08:01 PM
A chain or gate on one's driveway could possibly do much to deter thieves from entering the property and loading up a vehicle with stolen goods. In other threads there has been some discussion to this effect; if I remember well enough to summarize correctly, the gist of the discussions has been: -having a chain which is securely anchored and padlocked across a driveway is better than nothing, -having a securely anchored and locked gate is better than having a padlocked chain, -having a securely anchored gate which does not just lift out of its hinge-sockets (or which has easily removable hinge-pins) is better than a gate which is quickly defeated by these methods, -having a chain or gate which is only in the up or closed (locked) position when one is away from home simply advertises one's absence from the property when it is observed to be in locked position, so it was recommended to keep a chain or gate in locked position at all times when not actually passing through. There was some doubt about whether a gate could stop a big truck from butting though. As it turns out, there actually are gates which will stop a heavy vehicle from casually butting its way through even if the driver is willing to risk the damage and noise involved, but such gates are fairly massive and expensive. It may be, though, that the time, noise and fuss involved with attempting to get past even a relatively flimsy gate if it is closed and secured with stout chains and padlocks would be enough to discourage casual opportunist thieves intending to drive in and load up a vehicle. If one was really intent on making every possible effort toward preventing unauthorized vehicles from successfully entering the property then there are devices such as caltrops (http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/1032...p_CIA.html or http://www.defensedevices.com/caltrops.html) and tire deflation spike strips (http://www.securityprousa.com/roadspikes.html or http://www.ilfireandpoliceequip.com/stin...system.htm or http://www.stoptechltd.com/stopstick.html#video) one could deploy on a long driveway while exiting and then resecure upon re-entering the property, but this measure seems as if it could become problematic in several different ways. Still, as a way to prevent (or, at least, greatly delay and hamper) thieves from effectively entering or fleeing before law enforcement have time to arrive and take them into official custody, such tools could become useful. Likewise, if the Neighborhood Watch sees a house being stripped, the furnishings & fixtures being quickly thrown into a moving van or truck, then telephoning everyone nearby and all available neighbors gathering and parking their cars in a blockade across the driveway of the house being so looted should effectively prevent the thieves from escaping with plundered items until law enforcement arrives. Of course, technically one could be issued a citation for blocking a driveway.... )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." Pres. John Adams, Scholar and Statesman "There's a scientific reason to be concerned and there's a scientific reason to push for action. But there's no scientific reason to despair." NASA climate analyst Gavin Schmidt )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'(
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12-14-2008, 03:12 AM
quote: First, I'd like to say I'm sorry for obviously stepping on some toes... As for the 'significance' of my name... 'sometimes a cigar is just a cigar'. Does your name have 'significance'? My last name is Boost and I do electronic repair... hence the title, why did I have to explain this? Seems awfully judgemental and critical to me. Where I'm from: No! the cops wouldn't watch a new comer anymore or even as much as someone who had been there a long time. Provided they weren't working the streets or something obvious. As a matter of fact they would probably distrust the folks they had known for a while because they'd know a 'newbie' would be on their best behavior. I came from a melting pot state where we had Vietnamese, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Indians, Africans, Blacks, Whites, Hispanics, etc. I never implied racist police officers - period! That is something you read into my post! I am offended and I think you should examine your own motives for making such a statement. You seem overly aggressive in regard to this matter to me. It doesn't make sense to me that anyone would react this way unless they had a burr under their saddle for whatever reason. I'm just a peace loving individual that is looking for guidance or answers to what I've heard. Unfortunately, berating me instead of offering constructive feedback makes me wonder that much more. Why must we bicker among ourselves rather than help come up with constructive ideas to assist the police with these crime problems. If you want to discuss anymore of your 'suspicions' please private mail me instead of wasting a good thread with nonsense ]
12-14-2008, 04:45 AM
iboost, sorry if I offended you, but you had pretty much accused the local PD of incompetance and unequal treatment. I've been in Hawaii since 1964, and can tell you, it's not the cops, it's the courts and laws. Most heavy offenders are repeats.
For the few cops in Puna, there is remarkebly little crime. The use of electronics is a good aid in fighting it, but they had better be pretty waterproof. Also, unfortunately Puna is a known hideout for fugatives from outer islands and mainland.
Gordon J Tilley
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