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12 K solar system?
#31
StillHope
Solarman did my big system and it works quite well. On my recommendation, he's also added panels, batteries, or otherwise "fixed" systems of people I know - systems originally designed/installed by others. His guys, Mike and Doug are pretty good. You can use my name if you choose. Smile

A couple of thoughts...

What do YOU want to accomplish having a PV system? Different systems have different strengths/weaknesses. If not concerned with outages, then pure grid-tie may the way. If having a system that works when you need power is more important than trading "watts 4 $$" with Helco, than a battery system. Or maybe you want the best of both worlds - then a grid tie/battery hybrid.

When do you use most of your electrical power? Daylight? Nightime? If not home during the day and only the fridge running, then any power made must be stored for when you do use it. Either battery or Helco. Many of us that live off grid, live a bit different lifestyle - run dishwasher/washing machine only when sun is shining, charge cellphones etc during daytime, discourage use of things like hair dyers.

Concerning the system -
If everything else you do is permitted, then best to permit the solar also.
My electrician ran my pump circuit and plumber hooked up the pump (part of plumbing inspection) so not sure why this is noted unless you are going solar powered pump, but not apparent from system description.

System design -(be flexible and communicate this to Solarman to build a flexible system)
4 PV may well be enough for you or not, depending on many things. BUT... if not you can add more panels most anytime provided you can easily extend your racking and the combiner box has room. If going grid tie, you definitely don't want too many panels to over produce just to give away to Helco. Personally, I'm doubtful we'll see the day when Helco treats a home producer favorably.

Batteries - you can choose to go grid-tie and have the option to add a bank of batteries later if you want outage coverage. As noted elsewhere, generally not recommended to add more batteries to an existing bank. If you do have a battery bank, you must have sufficient PV output to properly charge or have a backup source, ie generator or Helco.

Inverters - The Outback 3048 is a good inverter (I have 4 of them). It is primarily for a battery system but can be grid tied. Please be aware that should you get a "Grid Tie Inverter", you cannot later add a battery bank. Hope that isn't too confusing.

All the misc stuff, cables etc, is easy to adjust, at minimal costs if you choose to build in the flexibility, but can become expense if done as a "rip out and replace".

Do your research regarding all things Helco. What are mininum charges? May or may not be the same if they know you have solar. I'm not on Helco so no personal knowledge, but a neighbor that Solarman added a PV/Battery system (but not net meter) had Helco send out a troubleshooter whern his charges fell to $6/month - then they upped his minimum to $25/month. There was a discussion on the otherside forum last year about Helco changing out the meters on grid tie resulting in higher charges.

Hope this helps a little.

David

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#32
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Originally posted by StillHope
(4) BP 175 watt panels @ $835 each = $3,340

This system should supply a nice amount of power (2.24 KWH/day).

Something is wrong here.

As an example, this 3kw system: http://www.realgoodssolar.com/solar/p/Al...n-028.html took 18 165 watt panels.
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#33
I'm also of the opinion that maximum power point charge controllers are worth their weight in gold and should be a part of every decent system.
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#34
What are maximum power point charge controllers and why are they so important in your opinion? Mahalo

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#35
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Originally posted by mella l

What are maximum power point charge controllers and why are they so important in your opinion? Mahalo

This site explains it far better than me: http://www.windsun.com/ChargeControls/MPPT.htm

From the site:
quote:
You typically get a 20 to 45% power gain in winter and 10-15% in summer.
One piece of relatively inexpensive equipment (in comparison to the other stuff you buy) can increase your power as much as 45% without adding a single panel.

Please note that many grid tie system inverters have MPPT integrated but I didn't see it in the Outback 3048 spec list which the OP says would be installed in her system.
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#36
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Originally posted by robguz

You don't get a refund on your Helco hookup costs for any reason that I know of. . Our power goes out here in Seaview at least once a month, usually for no apparent reason, i.e. no storm or other explanation. I've gotten my electric bill down to about $80 which is tolerable. My appliances are energy star, gas dryer, and shutting off all my big TV, stereo stuff completely from the power plug took off at least $20 a month alone.
I'd go all solar if I could afford it.

That's the key.
It's looking like 15K going 20 (if follow Daniel's advice about more panels).
Not particularly affordable...

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#37
He's saying KWH per day. Not total output of the system. Also that price list has to be wrong. Im sure it should say "charge controller", not "X240 transformer".

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Originally posted by TheYogi

quote:
Originally posted by StillHope
(4) BP 175 watt panels @ $835 each = $3,340

This system should supply a nice amount of power (2.24 KWH/day).

Something is wrong here.

As an example, this 3kw system: http://www.realgoodssolar.com/solar/p/Al...n-028.html took 18 165 watt panels.


Daniel R Diamond
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#38
A friend has a 24 panel system, and he was in the business big time. It is a 4.8 system and properly sized for his needs at the time.

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#39
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Originally posted by Daniel

He's saying KWH per day. Not total output of the system. Also that price list has to be wrong. Im sure it should say "charge controller", not "X240 transformer".

How is KWH/day calculated and what is the point of it? I'm not familiar with the term. Thanks!
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#40
If you have a 5 KW system i.e. 5000 watts of PV panels, in one hour you will make 5 KWH. in 8 hours you will make 40 KWH. So in the 12K system that solarman is selling, the array will produce 700 watts in full sun. That will be .7 KWH in one hour. So I'm guessing he is calculating for about 4 hours worth of full sunlight to get the 2.24 KWH per day. If you look on your helco bill it tells you how many KWH per day you use on average. So the less you use the smaller your system will need to be. But believe me, too much is always better with solar. I think today we made over 30 KWH at home.

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