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From SPACE down to Earth - the outcome?
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03-09-2010, 08:06 AM
quote:I'm pretty sure: no. I absolutely love that we're all energized by this. This is politics!
03-09-2010, 08:09 AM
Yes, we've found the problem. The problem was poor management. These "rules" were designed to be flimsy and left to interpretation. What was needed was quantifiable standards which are applied equally. But what we got was favoritism and bullying. When one vendor asked that another be held to "good fellowship", they were ignored. The market manager many times refused to even attempt to resolve grievances, but had knee-jerk reactions to others. The Board made it perfectly clear that they were not interested, and had other business to attend to. I was told that, point blank. That is exactly why some vendors wanted to have more voice in the managing of the market.
Now back to the more important discussion, wherein StillHope raised another good question. There are going to be more neighborhood meetings, on neutral ground, where members of the immediate community who were not present (for multitude reasons) will have an opportunity to discuss their hopes and concerns.
03-09-2010, 08:57 AM
Terry,thank you again for the prompt response.
---------------------------------------------------- Peregrine,I'd appreciate if you don't use what I posted to support your fight with the management. We don't have the same goal.You started with noise,air pollution (even sex offenders!) in the neighborhood. And it all comes to a catfight at a country market. Someone's legal status,someone is speeding ,someone is using EBT and not reporting their profits... Could you,please,start your own topic and don't turn this one in the catfight show? I am really sorry for having said this.But I don't want this thread to be locked because of you!
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03-09-2010, 09:04 AM
Peregrine,
The main market I sold at was a long established non profit of absolutely vital importance to the local economy, and has been used as a model for sustainable business practices by other markets all over the country. It had about 250 vendors every weekend and none of us were guaranteed any protections from competition. I went from being the only person selling my product to having 20 other vendors selling their version, some cheaper. That competition made me get better at making my product and meeting the needs of my customers. Competition in market places is a good thing, it keeps prices down and quality up, but protectionism keeps prices high and allows a seller to slack off and still sell their goods because the consumer has no other choice. When I first got swamped in a flood of competition I was not a happy camper, but it made me reevaluate both my desire to sell my hand made products, and to raise the quality of what I produced. In the long run it made me a much better artist and vendor. Carol
Carol
Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys. Polish Proverb
03-09-2010, 09:35 AM
Terry,one more question,please.
Is it possible to apply for a separate SUP for the Farmers market instead of switching to Village Center status?Was it ever discussed?
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03-09-2010, 09:52 AM
StillHope, I am concerned about noise, pollution, traffic and what kind of people are drawn to my neighborhood. It is Mr.Way whom has tried to portray my motive as nothing more than a grudge. (Some) of the opinions I hold are based on my experiences and observations of ill treatment by an organization which is asking for special legal treatment and claims to have the community's best interest in mind. Obviously, I am not alone in my feelings that the organization is being less than genuine. I stated early on in this thread that I didn't want to go down the road of trading insults and petty sniping, but someone else is trying very hard to engage such behavior.
If I am not mistaken, Mr.Tucker closed the previous thread because it was no longer on topic, and had run the course of it's usefulness. That is why a new discussion is taking place under a new title. Carol, Thank you for answering my question. Again, I do agree in theory. I really do understand and agree with the points about quality; I know that I vote with my dollars. But it's a little hard to talk theory when one's existence is hand to mouth and there is nothing extra. When speaking of community markets, it is a bit of a conundrum and I do not know what the solution is, but I do think it is very easy to overlook another persons viewpoint when your experience is nothing like their's. Not to say that you are doing that necessarily, just that what seems obvious and easy to one person can be an almost insurmountable challenge to another. In a community which supports every member, the challenges become manageable. That's all I really wanted to say.
03-09-2010, 10:11 AM
quote:I would completely agree if it was not for the fact that communities all accross the US have been smacked in the face with similar thinking. Remember, Wal-Mart now have stores that are designed to fit in 5,000 sq feet to 15,000 sq feet. They are small general stores. They are starting to appear in areas where people traditionally though a Wal-Mart would never appear. How many communities welcomed with open arms a "Neighborhood Market" development pitch only to find out after it was built that "Neighborhood Market" is a brand name of Wal-Mart’s markets. How many Communities have approved these small stores called market sides (side dish size stores) only to find out Market Side is a Wal-Mart brand mini store? I bet you they all though the same thing. And guess what, these communities are now powerless to stop it. By the way, there are McExpress, McStop and McDrives all designed to fit in spaces as small as 1,000 square feet. These are McDonalds that figured out how to leverage the marketing of McDonalds while maintaining a store small enough to service limited populations. I also bet those communities who through they would never see a McDonalds along some dirt road were just as surprised to see the min-golden arches appear. And like Wal-Mart’s surprise, these communities are now powerless to stop it. Do not at any time fool yourself into thinking that these large "corporate" chains have not set their sights on rural boondocks nowhere. They have and they do. Do you think for a minute that if a McExpress opened up that people wouldn't come? Why do you think one national chain is looking at land where 130 and 137 comes together? They know that with tourist going to view the lava flows and residents, its viable to open a killer (name recognition that drives away local competition) in that area. Never underestimate the power of investor/developers because they can run you over and never skip a beat. They don’t care one bit about what will or won’t happen in Seaview, they do care about what doors it will open for them. If the people open the doors, they can’t go crying when a 2,000 pound gorilla comes flying in. The people may only see the “Seaview Community”, but developer/investors sees doors opening all over Hawaii County.
03-09-2010, 10:19 AM
Aloha Bob, Point taken.
Business follows money. It is my personal opinion that this Kapoho/Kalapana area is so lacking in infrastructure (like water) and the lava risks are so high that cost/benefit analysis will keep most brand names away for years and years to come. The area has a few hundred legal buildable lots which is much different than the main land of Puna Makai and Puna Mauka which have tens of thousands of legal buildable lots. But time will tell. If Starbucks thought it could make money on the peak of Mt. Denali and the zoning was there then there would likely be one.
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03-09-2010, 10:51 AM
Bob,do you know if getting a SUP or a Village center status requires everyone's vote in a community ?
And what percentage is enough for the approval? 51%? And about the process in general .Thank you for your time.
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