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Originally posted by hawaiideborah
Can those of us without Hawaiian fishing rights (me)...
There is no such a thing as "Hawaiian Fishing Rights." PASH deals with shore line access. It's way too long to explain in a forum thread, but the ruling of the Supreme Court can be found/read on the web.
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My understanding has always been anyone can dance along the cliff all they want between the edge of the cliff and the property line, which is setback from the cliff X number of feet (25?). You cannot be denied access to it. How you get there is more complicated. But I am confident that if I wanted to I could walk along the cliff all along the point. I am also confident that I would avoid doing that lest I end up sleeping with the turtles.
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macuu222,
I am an oceanfront property owner in HPP and I have a letter from Hawaii County that states that the HPP sea cliffs are private property except for the lands owned by Hawaii County. Hawaii County agrees with land owners that the State has yet to acquire the HPP ocean front sea cliffs.
As home owners we pay property taxes on the entire lot and our property pins go to the ocean front. My Insurance Company also sees our land as owner liability all the way to the ocean front.
We allow those walking to pass by and often allow fishing. However, when a large group arrives with the whole family including the dogs, lawn chairs coolers etc., we have called the Police to help us ask them to leave based on private property rights. We also do not allow those who leave trash behind. I know other neighbors that do not allow any fishing and they have used the Police and private property rights to have the fishermen removed.
The "shoreline" definition is part of the issue. Federal law tells us that the high water mark is the definition of shoreline. However, the State of Hawaii has helped to clarify this as the "wash of the wave". Check out this blog on the issue of shoreline.
http://hilanduse.blogspot.com/search?q=shoreline
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quote:
Originally posted by Tolleys
...our property pins go to the ocean front.
Maybe my command of the English language is not good enough, but I have posted the same thing several times. "Public Access Shoreline Hawaii" (aka "PASH") affirms Native Hawaiian gathering and cultural rights on private property. It has limitations like it does not apply to properties smaller than one acre, it does not apply to County-approved residential subdivisions, etc. The 1995 ruling of the Hawaii Supreme Court is public record, and I'm surprised some people here on PW are giving more credit to the "I heard" and "I was told" and "I believe" than the actual facts that are public information.
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deborah, it really can be deadly to walk along those cliffs. There have been people taken by rogue or sneaker waves (who drowned).
Even fishermen and opihi pickers who were born here and should know the ocean get caught by waves. Keep in mind that the definition of a rogue wave is that it comes out of nowhere, so you may have watched the waves break and determined it was OK, only to get an unfortunate surprise.
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Who owns the section of land on HPP coast between Paradise and Makuu on Beach Road (Paradise side) where the rocks stop drivers from driving to the other side? I was just emailed a letter with 15 other people (volunteers) who will be counting whales along the HPP coast for an enviormental group. There will be tents, chairs,food,and lots of people right along the cliffs. And this will happening for the next three months..... Are we technically breaking the law?
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Originally posted by macuu222
Who owns the section of land on HPP coast between Paradise and Makuu on Beach Road (Paradise side) where the rocks stop drivers from driving to the other side?
There actually are six lots there, one (4.51 acres) is owned by the County of Hawaii, the other five (between 17,000 sqft and 20,000 sqft) are owned by private individuals.
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