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Originally posted by Wao nahele kane
In-fact - faith is not part of my life. Be it in religion or science because in the end, it's merely a faith based on what some blow hard tells you is factual from his or her LIMITED perspective of which may or may not be completely thought through and more likely not completely thought through. Blind faith is for fools IMO and I don't give a crap what label you put on the faith.
In fact, Not. Science is based on independently replicable evidence whereas religion is based on a belief in the absence of evidence... Not unlike the distinction between those of us who accept the scientific evidence produced by thousands of studies that show GMO poses minimal risk as opposed to the anti-GMO mob who (want to) believe GMO products are dangerous in the absence of any credible evidence that they are.
Although you claim not to be religious, you clearly are - of the tech paranoia sect, methinks.
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there have been no long term studies .... please post em if you have the facts..... there has been no third party scientifically unbiased review in the us to my knowledge .... we are the lab rats - grin
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Originally posted by Oneself
... My grandfather used to splice lemon and lime trees together. I was amazed as a kid. This is a natural way to modify food. (Think seedless watermelons, grapes etc)
Than there is the other story, like adding DNA from a fish into a tomato or something of the like. Or adding the BT Toxin into the DNA of the corn so that when bugs eat it it kills them. I mean, can we honestly sit here and think that will not have any affect on YOU ? You cant compare the two. One is natural, one is not....
Natural??? Sounds like a form of human engineering to me. Natural would be you plant a lemon tree, a lime tree and then on it's own some combined product develops.
I'd support labeling if everything is labeled equally. Sure seems like the natural/organic movement has given the E. coli business a real boost in recent years.
As for the European approach... If it pleases someone so much, why don't they just move there and enjoy the total experience?
Wouldn't the easiest way to determine fault with a particular source (GMO soy) be to replace its use with the alternative (non GMO soy) without any other changes to prove the point?
Oh well, let the non science crew vent and spew, they fully intend to intimidate without reason. Seems to be the way lately.
David
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Believe it or not, I was recently talking to someone about the advantages of grafted vs. seedling fruit trees and he said he was opposed to grafting because it was not natural and was just a step away from GMO. I was dumbfounded by the idiocy of that statement. The whole "natural" obsession is ridiculous and meaningless. Unless you are surviving off wild ohelo and akala berries on this island, nothing you eat is "natural."
As for labeling, there is far more evidence that all apples, even organic ones should be labeled with a huge warning that they contain cyanide. Perhaps a skull and cross bones and sold in red biohazard bags? Where are the marches demanding such labels? Cynanide is a known poison. Every apple has them! While not a risk in any real terms, there is a possibility that someone, somewhere could be harmed at some point in the next several million years by eating an apple seed. This is actually more of a legitimate concern than exists from any of the current approved GM crops.
http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/apples.asp The market is to some degree already handling the labeling issue anyway. Many products now proudly proclaim they are GMO free and anything with the organic label is also GMO free. Buy those products. I disagree with manufacturers having to label something because it used a technology that is so far completely free of any health risk, especially when there are so many other health risks that do have actual evidence. Did you know the little charred black parts of some potato chips are carcinogenic? Where is the label on all potato chips stating they contain known carcinogens. Again, far more evidence for that than any GM-related health threat. Pickled food contributes to stomach cancer. I could go on and on. If we're going to start adding labels based on health threats let's first start labeling for every legitimate risk. Use of GM technology would be at the bottom of that list.
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when I buy motor oil - I look for the viscosity on the label and the api service to make sure it needs my needs
when it comes to buying food - that option not available to me to help decide what Im going to put in my body... It could be as simple as a different color ink or type face on the ingredients listing.
lots and lots of smoke but no real honesty about this issue - imho more about emotion and political bent than facts.
the food in the EU much superior btw - I always gain 5 lbs on business
Hawaii has a very EU feel as well - being the Sandwich Islands - we did get more culture than the mainland - BVI has the same vibe / history
I believe the legitimate government of the Island Nation A Constitutional Monarchy ........
Got malasada? pilot crackers? (hard tack) both eu imports from whaler days
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http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/loc...lash-point
GM is huge in Hawaii. The Big Island could've picked up a lot of that money as the NIMBYs and CAVEs organize on Maui and Kauai but the County has put a stop to that. I hope we don't hear any of you Luddites complaining about a lack of jobs or money on the BI anytime soon.
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Jobs: Like much of everything on out here "It is an island babe - if you did not bring it its not here"
Ideal for retirement - career development - maybe not so leading edge
We live on the rainy side of a resort island ... the state (and Kona) having a 4.5% unemployment rate
East side was at mid sixes I believe.... Cali still bumping eights
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Originally posted by Bullwinkle
when I buy motor oil - I look for the viscosity on the label and the api service to make sure it needs my needs
Just curious Bullwinkle, how many of the oil containers were labeled "
NOT api 505.1, or api 58"? Yet you still find the oil you're looking for. Imagine that...
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nope its spelled out - exactly whats in the can dino or synthetic
unlike gmo which has no indication
again - italic print for gmo identification - what is so hard about that - I dont get it
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Really? do they list all the viscosifiers and anti corrosion and buffering agents? Must be a bigger can than I've seen recently...
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Originally posted by Bullwinkle
again - italic print for gmo identification - what is so hard about that - I dont get it
Bullwinkle,
This is just my opinion but I would explain "what is so hard about it?" this way.
1. Demand. Demand for such broad labeling could come from the FDA or through an act of Congress. To date the FDA has not found justification for such labeling. An act of Congress would largely (and maybe not even) be determined by popular demand. I think that the current demand for such action is a very, very small (but vocal) percentage of the general population.
2. Difficulty. Such labeling would involve hundreds of thousand of products. Additionally there would have to be a definition of what is GMO. It is nearly impossible for any product to declare or label itself 100% free of anything and that being the fact most all regulations specify a minimal level of acceptance of all kinds of stuff. One study I read stated that approx. 30% of foods labeled "organic" had some measurable level of GMO. Apparently GMO can be considered organic in some circles. Achieving 0% of anything or 100% of anything is, for practical purposes, not really possible.
This is not intended to change your mind. Labeling - one way or the other way- is fine by me. The market is starting to label some foods Non GMO (whether they are or not is TBD). This is only intended to provide some measure of explanation of why it isn't easy.
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