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Originally posted by kalakoa
OHA has been neither well managed nor very successful in its efforts to put Hawaiians on their land in homes.
Opinion: part of this is due to the requirement that the "home" be fully permitted, which does not come cheap. For a fraction of the cost, anyone (native or otherwise) can afford a "substandard" agricultural lot which is not subject to these restrictions.
You should know by now that things don't get done in Puna but they do get done in north Kona-Kohala. The natives up by Waimea are faring much better than those in the supposedly more caring Puna.
http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2014/0...4-in-kona/
DHHL breaks ground on Lai Opua Village 4 in Kona
Also, look at the Waimea Nui community plan. Who woulda thunk it, a community plan that does look like it is for the community, rather than a few special self interests. Some are getting greenhouses if they want to be hydroponic farmers. Look at the map on the last page and it will show why there is more concentration of effort (higher concentration of native Hawaiians):
http://www.waimeahomestead.org/Waimea-Nu...pment-.pdf
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"The natives up by Waimea are faring much better than those in the supposedly more caring Puna." This is a ludicrous statement, the caring people of Puna are not the ones deciding how these resources and benefits get allocated. Those decisions are made far from here, by people who do not live here. Trying to blame the people who live in Puna for those decisions is absurd.
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Originally posted by Seeb
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[ Even in the early 20th century, the Germans had to make war reparations as a consequence of wrongfully starting the first world war and losing it.
and the anger over that was the direct cause of the Brown Shirts coming to power.
So not a good example!
My grandparents lived through that S**t
It's a perfectly good example for what I was talking about, precedent in international law. It wasn't given as an example of wrongs being made right or a happy ending. There's an argument to be made that the ordered reparations were a major factor in bringing on the Great Depression.
So much is inter-connected now, that any destabilization of the status quo could bring on a major crash and burn. There's a lot to be analyzed and weighed I think, as you can't put the genie back in the bottle if it goes wrong.
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Aloha kakahiaka kakou. Mahalo for caring about this issue.
Now that the DOI meetings are complete, the response from the kanaka maoli will go back to Washington DC for contemplation.
Chunkster, mahalo for the well thought out post, which certainly leaves food for thought. Great points you bring up, which deserve serious consideration.
We cannot turn back the hands of time, we cannot expect OHA, nor any one entity (Kanaiolowalu, Reinstated Hawaiian Kingdom, etc.), to lead this effort. If this becomes the decision of an international body, the results may not benefit either the kanaka maoli nor the US.
We must continue to be educated, make decisions that will not harm either the kanaka maoli (any further), nor the US. Those of us who are called "assimilated Hawaiians" want a peaceful, reasonable, and just solution.
OHA and DHHL have not been managed properly, thus, Hawaiians suffer again. The political involvement of both entities has resulted in distrust, anger, and perceived abuse of our holdings. Perhaps both entities need to be dissolved.
In this day of progress and change, we, as a people, can never forget our culture, our language, and our history. How to find the balance is the challenge.
When I was little, my Papa taught me to type these words as practice on an old Royal typewriter: "Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country". I firmly believe there is middle ground to be found, if all of us contribute to this effort. Now is the hour, as it were.
Mahalo again for your opinions, discussion, and sincere aloha for all of our people.
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Originally posted by csgray
"The natives up by Waimea are faring much better than those in the supposedly more caring Puna." This is a ludicrous statement, the caring people of Puna are not the ones deciding how these resources and benefits get allocated. Those decisions are made far from here, by people who do not live here. Trying to blame the people who live in Puna for those decisions is absurd.
You seem to have some reading comprehension problems. The evidence is in front of your face. The Waimea-Nui plan is clear, concise and showing a place I sure wouldn't mind living in. The Puna plan is this confused, jumbled, twisted, many areas totally whacked out like the people didn't even know where they were living. True, the Waimea-Nui development is being planned by the Oahu ali'i, and they tend to have more resources than maka'aina'na in Puna.
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Yeah, well..... you're both right.
Assume the best and ask questions.
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The fact is the ali'i had sold off over 45% of the islands by the time of the overthrow. Since Hawaii has always recognized foreign ownership, no matter what happens with Hawaiian Homeland, the areas that have been privatized would stay that way. Ellison owns almost all of Lanai, Dole and Robinson own over half of Kauai, there are gigantic tracts of land owned by the missionary descendants on all the islands. Even if the Hawaiian Nation could be formed, it would already be a nation divided.
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Ownership and governance are two different things. Any country with private land ownership has exactly the same situation.
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opihikao, I wanted to follow up on the Na Leo recording of the Keaukaha meeting, because I had a chance to ask Ken about it last night.
He said they very much wanted to live stream the meeting, and were that close. The first roadblock was that they got short notice, and the best live streaming equipment they have was already in Kailua Kona for the 4th of July parade.
But they were trying, but could not get a clear enough signal on the DSL there with the cable they had. So they went over to both OHA and DHHL and asked if they could connect a cable to their system and were told no.
That is why they recorded it instead of broadcasting live. He said they have gotten calls from the mainland about it asking too.
He also mentioned that Na Leo will probably be affected by the merger of Com Cast and Time Warner if it goes through. He said there is a hearing in Hilo coming up soon, and those who care about the station would do well to attend and submit testimony as to its value and need for continued funding, more funding.
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Originally posted by csgray
Ownership and governance are two different things. Any country with private land ownership has exactly the same situation.
Well, in various countries, land cannot be purchased by non-citizens. There is private land ownership, but it is not allowed to further dilute the ownership of the land by the people who were born there with continued selling off to foreigners.
In the Cook Islands, non Cook Islanders (meaning of Maori blood) can only purchase land if they are married to a Cook Islander. They can lease land for business purchases if they pass the scrutiny for a business that will employ Cook Islanders, bring money into the economy, and other requirements.
Even New Zealanders (NZ still having a protective relationship to the Cooks) are under those restrictions, IIRC.
I believe that Fiji is one of the few nations in the South Pacific that does allow fee simple land sale to foreigners.
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