Ormat gossip

[leilanidude]

Hmmm, how is it you know Rob's details, even my family members do not keep tabs on my doings?
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Duh. Because Rob has posted that info before?

[RJHampton]

What difference is it how deep the geothermal resources are located or how deep the injection wells are? PGV injects the used brine back to where it ensures the continued viability of the resource. That's the right thing to do.
Why is hitting magma while drilling even an issue with you? It isn't
like it going to come flying up the well and spurting all over. In fact, they had issues because it froze (turned into rock essentially). by finding that chamber, they did the scientists a nice favor as it helps them to map out the underlying structure.

Rob is correct. You seem to try and make mountains out of thin air and I am not sure what purpose you have in doing so.



Was it in PGV/Ormat's permit to drill that deep (8,297 ft.)? Was it in their permit to tap the magma? They have a permit to tap energy from the resource i.e. hot rocks. Are hot rocks the same as magma? Could source be considered the same as resource? Do you know if drilling into the magma chamber in October of 2005 was intentional, accidental or serendipitous? I cannot find where there was any governmental reporting on this incident. I cannot even find the exact date.

After hitting a magma chamber while drilling Injection well KS-13 Ormat applied to change the permit from an injection well to a production well without disclosing on the permit that there was magma at the bottom 20 meters of the well. Why did Oramt fail to report the incident and keep it secret for three years?

Remember leilanidude, this was the first time in human history that anyone had ever drilled into a magma chamber. Most people would have run for their lives instead Ormat drilled and re-drilled. How do you know if it was safe if it had never been done before?

It was the first time that humans have ever gotten their hands on in situ magma or magma in its natural state. Did that substance belong to Ormat? They took it off the drill and sent chucks of it off island to research facilities like Sandia labs, Lawrence Livermore, John Hopkins etc. while we were kept in the dark.

To the best of my knowledge Ormat is an energy company not a scientific research facility.

I am making mountains out of molehills and they have built a geothermal plant on top of a baby volcano.

[Mtviewdude]

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Originally posted by leilanidude

It also gave me an opportunity to put issues on the table like deep well drilling (8,000 ft. and beyond) like Injector well KS-13 and the issue of drilling into Magma chambers which I got to mention when the story broke on page 5 Wed. January 21st in the Hawaii Tribune Herald.

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What difference is it how deep the geothermal resources are located or how deep the injection wells are? PGV injects the used brine back to where it ensures the continued viability of the resource. That's the right thing to do.

Why is hitting magma while drilling even an issue with you? It isn't like it going to come flying up the well and spurting all over. In fact, they had issues because it froze (turned into rock essentially). by finding that chamber, they did the scientists a nice favor as it helps them to map out the underlying structure.

Rob is correct. You seem to try and make mountains out of thin air and I am not sure what purpose you have in doing so.

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If i had to guess, it's to play on people's fear. Fear can make people easy to control and do stupid things.

Just make them believe there is a small chance of magma shooting out of a drill hole and push your agenda. Convince them or that the gas coming from the geothermal plant is different from the ones coming from the vents and it is what is making you sick and you can make up just about anything you want.

I wish ormat would secretly shut down the plant for a week and report a small gas leak and she how many people go to the ER.

[leilanidude]

RJ. So what if they encountered magma? Again, what's your point? Do you think they should have paid a royalty for a couple pounds of frozen magma (aka lava rock) to the state? How much do they owe? $1?

They changed from injection well to production well based upon the resources (steam essentially) that they discovered in that well. They adjusted and adapted like any smart company would have.

You do realize that Ormat tends to employ geologists around the world that helps them determine best places to drill geothermal wells? You don't think Ormat has any business in energy research when their business is energy?

What is a smarter use of land on a baby volcano? Is you living on it or a geothermal energy plant that is designed to be able to be rapidly moved in the event of an eruption a better use?

[leilanidude]

I wish ormat would secretly shut down the plant for a week and report a small gas leak and she how many people go to the ER.

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That would be as funny (and telling) as the people who complained about the drilling noise when they weren't even drilling! LMAO []

[dakine]

Convince them or that the gas coming from the geothermal plant is different from the ones coming from the vents and it is what is making you sick...

Excuse me if I am wrong, but that makes it sound as if you are saying the gases aren't dangerous. As one that has had way more exposure to volcanic gases than probably anyone here, both because of the amount of time I spent on the rift as well as the less than overly concerned way in which I approached the subject at the time (oh the follies of youth) I can tell you there are many reasons to be cautious about being exposed to the gases regardless of their source.

[RJHampton]

Mtviewdude,you are really missing my points.

I am talking about permits and what PGV/Ormat says they are going to do and what they are allowed to do. What is the sense of having all these regulations if PGV/Ormat is not going to follow them?

Are you saying that I have no right to question Ormat about the 2005 incident and how they handled it? Is that what you are saying?

When PGV/Ormat changed KS-13 into a production well would you consider it a magma enhanced well? And would you consider KS-13 as an Injector well different then any of the other Injector wells in terms of heat and the elements produced?

[Mtviewdude]

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Originally posted by RJHampton

What difference is it how deep the geothermal resources are located or how deep the injection wells are? PGV injects the used brine back to where it ensures the continued viability of the resource. That's the right thing to do.
Why is hitting magma while drilling even an issue with you? It isn't
like it going to come flying up the well and spurting all over. In fact, they had issues because it froze (turned into rock essentially). by finding that chamber, they did the scientists a nice favor as it helps them to map out the underlying structure.

Rob is correct. You seem to try and make mountains out of thin air and I am not sure what purpose you have in doing so.



Was it in PGV/Ormat's permit to drill that deep (8,297 ft.)? Was it in their permit to tap the magma? They have a permit to tap energy from the resource i.e. hot rocks. Are hot rocks the same as magma? Could source be considered the same as resource? Do you know if drilling into the magma chamber in October of 2005 was intentional, accidental or serendipitous? I cannot find where there was any governmental reporting on this incident. I cannot even find the exact date.

After hitting a magma chamber while drilling Injection well KS-13 Ormat applied to change the permit from an injection well to a production well without disclosing on the permit that there was magma at the bottom 20 meters of the well. Why did Oramt fail to report the incident and keep it secret for three years?

Remember leilanidude, this was the first time in human history that anyone had ever drilled into a magma chamber. Most people would have run for their lives instead Ormat drilled and re-drilled. How do you know if it was safe if it had never been done before?

It was the first time that humans have ever gotten their hands on in situ magma or magma in its natural state. Did that substance belong to Ormat? They took it off the drill and sent chucks of it off island to research facilities like Sandia labs, Lawrence Livermore, John Hopkins etc. while we were kept in the dark.

To the best of my knowledge Ormat is an energy company not a scientific research facility.

I am making mountains out of molehills and they have built a geothermal plant on top of a baby volcano.

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Yep, fear-mongering.

Though, I do love that you are the first to point out that Ormat isn't a scientific research facility. Are you a scientist specializing in volcano's perhaps?

You seem to come to a lot of conclusions and assumptions without any evidence, I hope you at least have something to back all this nonsense?

Did you have permits or permission when you interrupted a public meeting with your nonsense?

For someone who likes to hold everyone else accountable for "words", "rules" and "permits", you do seem to ignore a lot of them yourself. I am sure there is a term that describes people who think the rules apply to everyone but themselves.

[Mtviewdude]

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Originally posted by dakine

Convince them or that the gas coming from the geothermal plant is different from the ones coming from the vents and it is what is making you sick...

Excuse me if I am wrong, but that makes it sound as if you are saying the gases aren't dangerous. As one that has had way more exposure to volcanic gases than probably anyone here, both because of the amount of time I spent on the rift as well as the less than overly concerned way in which I approached the subject at the time (oh the follies of youth) I can tell you there are many reasons to be cautious about being exposed to the gases regardless of their source.

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My apologies if that how it came across. The gases are dangerous.

I was just trying to point out that people "tend to get sick" from small amounts discharged from the facility while being fine from the thousands of pounds released by the volcano on a daily basis.

[snorkle]

Remember leilanidude, this was the first time in human history that anyone had ever squeezed the juice out of sugarcane. Most people would have run for their lives. Instead, RJ squeezed and re squeezed. How do you know if it was safe if it had never been done before?