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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
MONEY, now that IS the game changer
Maybe Frank has a point. But why stop at taxing the non-profit telescopes? Let's tax the University of Hawaii too, and UHH. But wait there's more. Let's tax OHA & DHHL. People who have Section 8 and EBT get free food and housing - - tax them a little too. Retired people get free social security money and Medicare every month just for sitting at home and watching TV, tax them double. I could go on and on, but one more. People who get their own stop light & barricades, a free camp site and parking place really should pay a hefty tax in my opinion.
Add it all up and there's some serious game changing cash we can give to Harry Kim, who, oh yeah, should have his own special tax applied to his salary. All of it.
bold by me...Having owned and operated a C corp here in Hawaii for 26 years, Nothing about my present social security check or medicare was or is FREE...I paid in double for myself and matched my employees portion...
I suggest the issue is Spending and not Taxing
I concur with your inferance of Harry's in-capabilities
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@ kalakoa... it's foolish to invest In Hawaii, permits are worthless paper. This could become a problem.
The notion It's foolish to invest in Hawaii did not start with TMT or the protest
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It's foolish to invest in Hawaii did not start with TMT or the protest
Agree -- but the current situation is far more visible.
I keep trying figure out where it's going to end up, so I can make plans. It's pretty clear that my original plan isn't going to work anymore.
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Originally posted by Frank
Yes, good reasons both but not game changers...MONEY, now that IS the game changer
Altitude, air quality, and being in the northern hemisphere literally are game changers for a telescope. I'm sure you're a smart guy Frank, but you are coming off as some kind of science denier here. The fact that this non-profit will put tens of millions into our economy every year and millions directly into education is not a bad thing.
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the protest blockade sends a clear message: it's foolish to invest In Hawaii
Or use Hawaii references in your business:
San Francisco’s largest employer—and owner of the city’s tallest skyscraper—is toning down its obsession with Hawaii.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/salesforce...an-culture
You can't be too careful. What you think is a sincere affection for Hawaii, it's people, and culture, might now be termed cultural appropriation. Better back off before your life's work becomes the next target of a protest.
CEO Marc Benioff, estimated to be worth $6.1 billion, “swam with dolphins and embraced the spirit of Aloha,” according to the company blog... He returned with a mission to spread the good word... donated to volcano recovery efforts, and wore a lei during his opening keynote at the company’s annual conference last year.
Salesforce, worth $126 billion, has used effusive, happy-go-lucky Hawaiian imagery and terms since its founding in 1999. Its workforce is known as the “Salesforce Ohana... Many business publications have ranked the company as one of the nation’s best places to work.
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@ randomq...I'm sure you're a smart guy Frank, but you are coming off as some kind of science denier here.
Science, which I support, can be advanced in the Southern Hem as easily as in the Northern...Money, money is site specific and I welcome all if terms can be arranged. I add, issued permits need to be honored
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@ randomq...I'm sure you're a smart guy Frank, but you are coming off as some kind of science denier here.
Science, which I support, can be advanced in the Southern Hem as easily as in the Northern...Money, money is site specific and I welcome all if terms can be arranged. I add, issued permits need to be honored
The southern observatories already have a new crop of large telescopes, they do need an eye in the north ... but do you realize 1.4B values ... like 4B ... in India?
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Originally posted by Frank
@ randomq...I'm sure you're a smart guy Frank, but you are coming off as some kind of science denier here.
Science, which I support, can be advanced in the Southern Hem as easily as in the Northern...Money, money is site specific and I welcome all if terms can be arranged. I add, issued permits need to be honored
The science that the TMT can do in Hawaii can't be done anywhere else.
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There is a certain degree of being disingenuous here when people who would not tell a doctor his job when they needed him or her feel so confident in disputing the technical merits of something like the TMT.
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Science, which I support, can be advanced in the Southern Hem as easily as in the Northern
The Gemini Observatories on Mauna Kea (northern hemisphere) and in Chile (southern hemisphere) each view different parts of the sky so they can see the big picture, all of it. Telescopes are expensive, if Gemini North & South could view the entire sky from Chile, they would have no reason for a second telescope in Hawaii.
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