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Hawaii’s DOE - First No Buses, now No Payroll!!
#41
(09-16-2024, 09:26 PM)kalianna Wrote: Thatʻs very disturbing.  How long ago was this and do you think things have changed since that time?

It was quite a while ago. I remember I was still surfing Second Bay.. and that was a few decades back. 

As to changes.. I expect things to change, but at the same time don't think things live up to my expectations all that often. But in practical terms I am not in touch with the schools any more. My great grandkids go to school.. I'm generations removed. So, in all honesty I don't know.
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#42
(09-17-2024, 04:50 PM)Punatang Wrote:  I would like to see more data

 Let's consult the experts:

You certainly chose some top performers, so I'm happy with that!
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#43
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.hsta.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/10-Month-Teacher-Salary-SY-22-23-with-21-hours.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwir_evO18yIAxUVHkQIHaepLr4QFnoECDIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0dgGF8f0Kx3Xg51n9LTvoF

Link to PDF of pay scales. Worth noting is the additional, annual $3000 bonus paid to teachers in certain complex areas, which includes Pahoa.
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#44
That is very interesting, Dude. Good content. Thank you.
 
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Regarding teacher compensation, it seems unlikely that it has kept pace with the historic inflation we have seen over the last three years. There are likely cases where we had teachers who were living well within their means and then the price of everything quite suddenly skyrocketed. These public servants may have taken on fixed liabilities that seemed prudent in a historical (say, 40-year) context but which, in today's economy, force our teachers to endure financial distress. My earlier point failed to account for all of the suffering caused by the recent, quite elevated levels of inflation.
I wish you all the best.
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#45
@Punatang - I didn't realize until after, that it was the google link to the original hsta.org (union) site. I also didn't shorten the url because some folks here have proclaimed in the past that they won't ever click on a shortened url. I use MalwareBytes full version and it is superb at stopping one from doing "dumb clicks".
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#46
leilanidude - One issue is that teachers are basically allowed to do no disciplinary actions other than "send the child to the office".
What disciplinary actions do you think teachers should be undertaking unilaterally?

leilanidude - Link to PDF of pay scales
Some of the context missing is that to reach above $90K, teachers need both a PhD and 22 - 30 years of experience, and that ~$90k+ dollars currently is low-income for a family of four in Hawaii (yes, even on the Big Island) and starting wages for teachers are still below very-low income levels.

Perhaps we should go back to the good old days and require teachers be spinsters and not get married, so they're not burdened with raising a family on their minimal pay? Maybe we can at least include a stipend so they can afford to feed a (feral) cat or two?
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#47
(09-18-2024, 05:46 PM)ironyak Wrote: What disciplinary actions do you think teachers should be undertaking unilaterally?

Teachers should be able to demand civility, unilaterally. If a student is not able to to be civil the teacher should be legally able to expel the student from class. And there should be a sliding scale.. first offense second.. and by the third the kid should be sent to some sort of special education environment removed from the regular school's campus and with police in the classroom.
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#48
Ironyak: "require teachers be spinsters and not get married" And then our kids would be taught by the crazy childless cat ladies. Horrors!
Certainty will be the death of us.
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#49
Cats need all of the support they can get right now.

I wish you all the best.
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#50
MyManao - Teachers should be able to demand civility, unilaterally.

Obviously can't speak to your past experiences, but DOE schools' disciplinary standards are outlined in Chapter 19 (PDF) which includes possible consequences for "making unreasonable noise as to cause disruption of normal school activities" and "making any offensively coarse utterance, gesture, or display, or addressing abusive language to any person present", engaging in fighting, etc that would seem to fall under an expectation of civility.

Disciplinary actions could include anything from student and parent conferences, loss of privileges, detention, crisis suspension (immediate), to transfer and dismissal from the school. In short, the expectations and consequences are all set forth - need to be applied by teachers reporting the incidents and administration applying the disciplinary actions.

My question was, given that leilanidude was simultaneously complaining about some his kids' teachers being bad and that teachers don't have enough authority other than to "send the kids to the office", what level of unilateral disciplinary discretion for teachers (even bad ones) he would want?

Would he be comfortable with teachers expelling students from a class without any other oversight or attempts at gathering more information? A neutral third party investigator is part of Chapter 19 to get more info from teachers, students, witnesses, etc about an incident when determining what happened and admin sorting out what the consequences might be - likely helps to avoid bias and selective recall of the details when conflicts occur.
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