Reasons to leave Hawaii

[loffelkopffl]

now those darned commies(china) make almost all our goods and take away all our manufacturing jobs, what the heck???

[JerryCarr]

Other than being autocratic and repressive, the oligarchs running China don't much resemble communists, although they do persist in calling themselves the Communist Party. Sort of like the Nazis calling themselves National Socialists when they were in bed with the German industrialist families like the Krupps.

Hmmm. We seem to have drifted off thread into geopolitics (again.) LOL

Cheers,
Jerry

[Hotzcatz]

Okay then, Jerry, I guess to get back on topic, perhaps a reason to leave Hawaii would be to move to China and become an oligarch?

[John S. Rabi]

I actually spent several weeks in China just recently. Since I was visiting someone, I was not really a tourist and I got the insight into the system there. I was expecting people in uniforms on bicycles and what I saw was a thriving capitalist economic system. It could be the next "USA" soon.

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Edited by - John S. Rabi on 08/23/2006 10:28:55

[JerryCarr]

I think there's a lengthy waiting list for the oligarch positions, but some of the discouraged entrepreneurs from the "Reasons to move to Hawaii" thread might want to divert themselves to China for the incredible opportunities. They could become industrial oligarchs, if not political ones. It all comes back around, doesn't it. LOL, again.

Cheers,
Jerry

[Hotzcatz]

Well, according to some of my neighbors several reasons to leave Hawaii are:
1. Better jobs on the mainland
2. Better schools on the mainland
3. It is boring here.

He has gotten a job on the mainland and they will be putting their house up for sale later this week. They bought it in 2003 so they are hoping to sell it at a profit and move to the mainland. They moved here from the mainland and I don't think they found all they were hoping for here.

Well, that's what they say and they are the ones moving, so I guess it works for them.

A hui hou,
Cathy

[Cindy B]

Hi Stef. I understand your problems with Pahoa High. Is it still home of "The Daggers"? I hope they changed that. They did have a good drama dept, so good that some of the Hilo kids were getting out of district transfers. But this wall years ago. I'm out of touch with the school scene there now. The commute to Hilo for St. Jo's is only 30 minutes (I drove every day from HPP to my job teaching at Waiakea), but maybe with more traffic now, it takes longer. Anyway, you mentioned Ashland schools. Ashland, Oregon? I've lived in Ashland, Ore. for about 2 years. I love it, but when I read what you said about being disillusioned by the hyprocrisy in Hawaii, I wanted to let you know that many of us who have moved to Ashland feel that same here. I notice it when I walk to the Food Co-op and am rushed by drivers in a hurry who come over the crosswalk as if to give you a little push out of the way - even when you have the green walking light...and of course they all have their equivalent of aloha bumper stickers - Peace, We're all One, etc. aaargh. But when I keep a good attitude, I notice that it's the few who do this, and that it is overall a gentle, accepting community. For me, it was the same challenge in Hawaii. I imagine it's true everywhere, but in places that are known for their aloha, peace and love like Hawaii and Ashland, the problems are less tolerable, more heart breaking. When are you moving back here? We'll be here about another 5 to 6 more months. I'm one of those who returns every few years to the mainland for various reasons, but I always have a heavy heart when the plane lands in Portland, and when I go back and get off the plane in Hilo, I want to kiss the ground. But if I were to stay on the mainland, it'd be Ashland.

Aloha,
Cindy

[Royall]

Why “change” the name? Pahoa means “dagger”. The new people coming over always want to change things. Do you suppose that may be part of the reason the locals are not happy with us?

Royall

What goes around comes around!

[Carolann R]

I have to agree with ya, Royall. Manytimes haole are seen as foreigners in a sense...they arrive with their plans for change, opinions about the local systems. Hawaii is part of the United States but certainly another country altogether in many, many ways.

Our reasons for wanting to be in Hawaii are more than weather and they do include the diversity and local flavor...I realize that stereotypes are based in fact oftentimes (ask me - I'm Irish from an Irish neighborhood back east - "My Name is Carolann and..." LOL), but for me the locals have been friendly and welcoming. I am so curious a person and they have always been forthcoming about their culture and always ready to talk story. I have never felt shunned by locals for being haole or asking them about themselves or their ways.

I really believe that people will mirror you. Sometimes people don't even realize they are being abrasive - it's just their nature...so when they get that back from another person they wonder what the heck did THEY do? LOL

I love the name Pahoa. I'll bet Cindy didn't realize that the team was actually named after the town and translated into English...I never would've guessed that. Remember all the different phrases we make that have the local kids laughing because of the double entendre? They have a whole other language they speak - reminds me of East Enders in London...when they started speaking Cockney rhymes to keep the cops from knowing what they were talking about. Very cool to me.



Carrie

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[Cindy B]

Thanks Carrie for the language lesson. I had no idea. Just wanted to say in my defense though that in the 10 years I lived in Hawaii (Hilo, Puna, Kona, Waimanalo, Oahu and Kauai) that I didn't try to change anything, and I had only one negative encounter with a local. I was just saying that I'd hoped they'd changed the name because 1. I didn't understand where it came from and 2.When my friend was teaching in Pahoa, it was still the wild west. So when I saw the school called itself Home of the Daggers, I wrongly assumed that this had something to do with the generally tough nature of the student body there (and back in the 80's it was pretty harsh, in general). Anyway there are some pretty violent place names here in Southern Oregon, and I really don't like. But I'm not out there campaigning to change them. Other than to help youth who came from domestic abuse and drugs, I never tried to change anything in Hawaii. I didn't mind the cinder and gravel roads, the schools low test scores(never really understood what all the fuss was about), and I'm not looking foward to more big box stores, etc. I do mind animal abuse and domestic abuse, but I mind that here too. Before I moved to Hilo and then Puna in 1988, I got the warnings you all probably do too...the locals will call you haole, you won't be accepted, etc. My grandparents told me to just be myself, that the locals may be suspicious of you at first, wondering if you're going to be another mainland snob who looks down on those with a lesser education, whether in a snotty way or a patronizing way. I learned so much from locals I met that first year, including Hawaiians, that I couldn't imagine anyone looking down on them. Sure many of my students weren't into academics, but so what. The principal at my school seemed to think everyone should go to college, and I don't buy that. I know this is overgeneralizing, but many of the locals are gifted in the arts, or with this amazing knowledge of nature, that you just don't get in a book. So anyway, my dinner's burning, but just wanted to say before more jump on me for my comment, that I'm not returning to Hawaii with a mission to change things.

Aloha,
Cindy

Royal wrote: "The new people coming over always want to change things. Do you suppose that may be part of the reason the locals are not happy with us?"