Oh let's do stray off the subject. John has reminded me of this study I just read about. Being grumpy is good for your thinking. It's called the Eeyore Mindset.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8339647.stm for the methodology:
Conclusions:
"Those in a bad mood outperformed those who were jolly - they made fewer mistakes and were better communicators.
Professor Forgas said: "Whereas positive mood seems to promote creativity, flexibility, co-operation and reliance on mental shortcuts, negative moods trigger more attentive, careful thinking, paying greater attention to the external world."
The study also found that sad people were better at stating their case through written arguments, which Forgas said showed that a "mildly negative mood may actually promote a more concrete, accommodative and ultimately more successful communication style".
His earlier work shows the weather has a similar impact on us - wet, dreary days sharpened memory, while bright sunny spells make people forgetful."
Yep, I blame my short term memory issues on too much sunshine. ;-) Actually, I agree with this, I do my mental tasks on cloudy days.
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Good link--and very much on subject, since it's (in part) about successful communication! I tend to agree--I'm often at my most productive on rainy, grey days.
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[quote]Originally posted by John S. Rabi
Joining many of the other real estate companies here, my company (and I and all my agents) have not been members of any real estate organization for four(?) years. In fact, all of our material clearly indicate that we are "proudly not associated and affiliated" and if you check my postings here for the past few years you will see my signature does not include the "R" (realtor) designation.I have been a licensed real estate broker in Hawaii for 15 years. Realtor doesn't mean licensed, it means the person is a broker and is a member of NAR. It has nothing to do with licensing, knowledge or ethics.
John,....I don't check out this site much...but I do know quite a bit about real estate. Being a Realtor DOES mean you are licensed. You can't be a Realtor and NOT be licensed. That's one of the requirements for NAR membership. With regards to Ethics, yes, it does mean a Realtor DOES have to adhere to a Code of Ethics...it is a requirement. You do so by choice as a non-Realtor. Your website is very misleading when it comes to your designations. Even your signature you use on Punaweb states you are an ABR and CRB. I have checked. You have to be a Realtor to use these designations. These are NAR trademarks. To be able to use these designations, you also have to pay annual NAR, ABR and CRB dues, and you have to be a Realtor. So, although you profess not to belong to a "country club" you surely are benefiting by making it appear that you do. Why is that? Your disclaimers on your website say you are no longer affiliated, and yet....it seems like a contradiction to me. And it is also a deceptive practice. By the way, what does the REST of your alphabet soup represent? Former affiliations to other organizations? What is the point?
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So what the hell, has this become a forum to attack members for posting here? John made a joke, which about 95% of the members perceived as a joke, For those of you who will question how I got that figure I arrived at that figure by looking at the number of posts in support, as opposed to the few, who apparently have an ax to grind. The figure may not be exact, and if its not, oh well. Its in the ball park. I have yet to talk to a PW member who has anything bad to say about John, SO GET OFF HIS ASS ALREADY.[  !]
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Dick: I thought it a joke as well. 
juker. I took John's statement to mean that you don't need to be a Realtor to be licensed. That not being a Realtor and NAR member is not equal to unlicensed and unethical.
My observation of certain island realtors in action tells me that belonging to NAR and thus officially subscribing to their code of ethics, does not necessarily mean the broker OBSERVES the code of ethics. And as for the local boards, it is a big problem that they oversee the ethics of people that they work with in negotiations, and can't necessarily afford to rub certain brokers the wrong way. I made an ethics complaint here, through the Hiol board, and guess what, the agent in question was a member of the Ethics Committee. Then when we got the list of potential committee members for the hearing, the list included agents who worked for that brokerage, and I had to object to them, when they shouldn't have ever been on the list. My own former agent quit Kona Board, even though she works and lives Kona side. The Hilo club being a better organization than the Kona Board ...
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I think what some members are trying to accomplish here, is to make 'certain' posters have to live up to some level of perfection, so that some future reader who may be a complete moron won't be misled. In any case, whether it be about professional affiliations, or looking at properties in some neighborhood, climates, crime, etc... individuals have some responsibility themselves to get info and make their own decisions (I think the original poster on previous topic was trying to do this). If a few posters are trying to censor certain opinions from being posted, then 'newbies' and others will be robbed of perhaps vital info. Rob has done a pretty good job of allowing differing viewpoints while keeping tones appropriate.
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ric -WELL SAID!
YAWN - time to put this to bed - it's so tiring someone could trip and get hurt!
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heh heh heh
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or is it tantrum?
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Bullwinkle on ethics and transparency.
This topic having been explored in the heat of passion and some serious debate in the last week I thought id offer my closing thoughts, good byes and and least in my opinion a solution.
First let me begin with a clarification..
I lumped and offended and carelessly denigrated a group of folks ... something like like "transplanted (fill in the subdivision here) real estate folks are the worst." Without thinking I slighted many AND ONE in particular, An agent ... who in reality had enough class to keep their mouth shut over personal doubts about this site - following a code of conduct. Even today The agent has not called for a pound of flesh due them - real class.
.... what tumbled on to the page completely different, and another dish of crow for the moose please......
Back to ethics:
My issue is this ... I feel as a poster doing my very best to provide open and honest information about the life we share here in Puna I was making a contribution to the whole.
In retrospect, I am coming to the belief that my work product and that of many others that have made this site was it is ... May in turn used for personal or business gain - My fundamental obligation to and belief in transparency being the elephant romping about in this case and my recent postings.
My belief in my opinion solidified as series of communications that occurred very early - like at message 2 and 3 on the first post, when Dmarie was in the cross hairs. The increase in buzz led me to believe there may be an elephant in the room. At that point in the posting the back channel chatter kicking up a notch or four.
That leaves me with three options, continue with MY feeling that transparency is not all it should be ....
Post what information or beliefs I have and thrash the site to the detriment of all - lets break some more china getting that moose out of here or.....
Or make the fllowingreccomendation - long winded but more gentle me thinks.............
Here goes - Ill try to keep it short: The Bullwinkle ethics solution.
I think this site has come to the point where it is now a real player in Puna, being foremost in providing information and being referenced by many.
I think it time to also look at the ethics of blending those who have a finacial (real estate ) dog in the fight .... and the rest of us posters ... the folks who drive the site in my opinion, mingling - posting - in the same categories without distinction or disclaimers.
Recommendations: In a nutshell:.
1) delete the posts of these first two topics that turned on the spotlight. ... John may have had a bad day, we all deserve a do over, enough is enough. Not one of my most enjoyable or comfortable moments either by the way. Giving me much food for thought about my motivation.
2) start a new category ... Puna real estate - that being the elephant in the room... put all real estate adds in there. For sale for rent and services offered as well as there we were stories - good and bad. The newbies can go there if they have questions about real estate or hang with the rest of us in the farming, general topics or building - or even weather forums for some nit picking.
3) Beg Cynthia to moderate the real estate category, keeping a new real estate ethics post current. The time has come like most successful busy sites, for specialists in the field to do the moderation of highly technical or important subjects.
Real Estate not only an important as to immediate buying decisions in these post golden goose times. A house note to some to some a thirty year yoke - serious life long business, needs serious ethics considerations.
Transparency needed most on # 3 in my humble opinion.
As to my motivation:
This laymans ethics driving me to protect the newbie and naive, my disclosure. Wishing nothing but the best to
Punaweb.ORG
and its many top notch posters , indeed the place to go if you have something to say.....
As for good bye ... untill i can feel ethically comfortable providing factual information that drives the newbies with questions to this site I am going to back away, Ill be here but much less active
footnote
Giving credit where it is due ... the poster known primarily as Damon... first planted a seed for me on the boards.... postings about "sock puppets" having much power in hindsight.
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