Rubbish Everywhere...

[EightFingers]

Cat, Of course I'd want to know.


And I would want everyone else to know also, that guy wouldn't get any more business!

Daniel, keep it at HI5 just use a "$"......

[robguz]

Trash has gotten much more noticeable since they shut down hours at all the dumps by about half or more two years ago. It's what happens in every jurisdiction. When you make it harder to get rid of trash, it just ends up everywhere. It would be insane for the County to hire people to pick up trash from a problem they caused. That would probably cost more than just changing the dump hours back to what they used to be. Years ago, the Kalapana dump was open anytime day or night. When the population around here more than doubled they cut the hours down to about 10% of that. The idea was that people couldn't dump prohibited items if they were open just a few hours and staffed. Well they aren't staffed full-time, so of course people know when they are open but not staffed, and just dump the same things at those times.

[Carey]

I understand the frustration of the dump times... but the fact that people will dump what they know they should not still points to a total attitude shift needed....until that happens, there will still be a problem that costs all of us... both in loss of the environment & in the cost of picking up after those who still need their mommies following them around to make sure they 'do the right thing'!

[Chuysmom]

I am curious what happens to all of these organizations who claim a mile or two of the road to be cleaned by their people and why it's not happening.

People will not stop throwing crap out the window and when someone is hauling rubbish and a bag falls off the back...they either don't know it or don't wanna bother going back for it. That's not going to end either.

Carey you guys do such great stuff at the shorelines...and that is sorely needed for us to be able to harmonize with ocean life. My questions were more about why there is so much trash along Highways 11 and 130?

I would like to propose a Punaweb Cleanup Day! I will donate trash bags and rubber gloves and whatever I can to help do this. A first impression is everything...our guests to this Island should see it shine. Anyone wanna jump in with me? We'll choose a date and JUST DO IT.

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Carrie

http://www.sapphiresoap.etsy.com

"Even the smallest person can change the course of the future..." Galadriel LOTR

[Carey]

If the increase you have noticed has been since about 2 years ago...the county used to use the Kulani Corrections inmates to do the lions share of their rural highway pickups.... when the facility was closed, we lost that labor pool (they also were the main fencing crew for the endangered habitat exclosures)

If it is much more recent (the last season or two, I haven't seen the little county pickup cart recently, I have wondered if it was in for repairs, or retired due to budget cuts.

"Keep Hawaii Beautiful" tries to provide the cleanup materials AND coordinate with the county (on the county roads, this is needed), but like most non profits, the current budget cuts have effected them

The organizations on the signs are usually coordinated through the county & organizations like "Keep Hawaii Beautiful". Most of the companies that sign up do rely on volunteers to assist their workers... and both funding for the cleanup materials & the available pool of volunteer pickers are also down for most cleanups ... our beach cleanups only continue because of our sponsors, Nautilus Dive & Project Aware.... and the fact that we have been very successful in tapping into the community service pool for the surface work.... many people get volunteer clean up burn out, especially when cleaning up after others....

I have seen volunteers spending their free time doing a roadside clean up & a passing motorist beans them with trash, laughing! - that attitude can really tire you out of the game (to be fair, most motorist shaka & are appreciative...but there are a very few with really warped attitudes!)

[BradW]

Hard to explain my feelings about this subject. I picked up roadside trash for years there and had them throw it out right in front of me; some of them even honked and laughed. Can you imagine? Pigs.

[Chuysmom]

Gosh Brad that is terrible. I am stumped. What's the answer here?


Carrie

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"Even the smallest person can change the course of the future..." Galadriel LOTR

[Royall]

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Originally posted by BradW

Hard to explain my feelings about this subject. I picked up roadside trash for years there and had them throw it out right in front of me; some of them even honked and laughed. Can you imagine? Pigs.

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Brad, that is the exact reason I don't do clean ups any more... I helped Jim and Carey do a beach clean up when I first moved here about 6 years ago down at 4 mile beach. A cold and drizzly day, on hands and knees picking up green bottle caps and cigarette butts for the most part. I worked around a tree and there stood a local guy smoking a cigarette. He looked down at me and and thew his cigarette butt on the ground in front of me. I'll NEVER clean up THEIR **** again. Then you hear "yeah, the mainlanders come to Hawai'i and trash their aina" Bull crap!!!

Sorry.... just touched a raw nerve.

Royall

Hale O Na Mea Pa`ani

[Greg]

Some people are always going to be pigs and some are always going to do service to their community. If you are doing service with the expectation that slobs will quickly change, you are in for a big disappointment. The efforts of the good folks that do cleanups are noticed and appreciated though! Mahalo!

It's sad to bring race or culture into the discussion. I feel the problem is probably more socio-economic at it's core. When you say things like; "I'll NEVER clean up THEIR **** again", referring to locals, you do a terrible disservice to the majority of local people who have higher standards, but are not as noticed as the litterers. You also do a disservice to those of us who have chosen to relocate here by further driving in the wedge that separates our cultures.

Better to go on doing the good deeds, setting the good example, and making a difference.

[mella l]

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Originally posted by Chuysmom...Much of this stuff is in bags and more than likely there are addresses, personal info, etc.

Not meaning to sound like and Arlo Guthrie tune, but seems like with a little "investigation" someone could get a whopping fine and be made an example of, right?

Next mission is getting the cops to ticket those buttholes with the bright blue halogen headlights that poke your eyes out!....

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The Opala in Paradise group has done just that. Whatever personal info they find, they do call the police and make a report. I believe they also (or Stasha was) writing to the "trash owners" to let them know OIP had picked up after them. And since the trash was "public information" - they were posting the names (only) found on envelopes etc on the FB page.

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Hallo Kat!

Is there a web link to that organization?

This seems like a yearly subject that gets tossed around. Linked with lack of education, economical concerns and personal hygeine, lack of transportation. From certain lots to the highways, so very sad. Perhaps an attempt to keep tourists away? If so that won't work either.

So glad to see there are programs in place to help and also damon's get together group.



mella l

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