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Originally posted by kalakoa
I'll say it again: everyone chip in for a charter helicopter flight that circles over the homes of the FAA officials and GH pilots. I strongly suspect they have no idea what it sounds like from below.
Don't waste your money, it's music to their ears.
Had a friend that spent 2 years at an airbase in Afghanistan.
He said he slept BETTER knowing that the birds were flying, covering them from above.
I agree though, if they got it all day long, day after day, weekends, holidays, rain or shine, they might get sick of it too.
I strongly suspect that a lot of them simply don't care.
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Originally posted by ericlp
case in point... I was looking at a van to buy in HB down the second circle hilo side, where there is the insane neighbor with 20-40 pits and other breads of dogs. She lived on the lower end of the circle... I asked her about it, and she said she called the cops plenty but no matter nothing gets done because it's an ice house and all the cops know the family that deals. So... Take that with a grain of salt.
I could imagine half the police force addicted to meth. It's almost become a house hold drug here. I know a lot of people that do it but they seem to somehow function normally enough to hold down a job. It's only the certain few that go permanently awol talking to themselves for life.
"The certain few"? c'mon it's trucker crack. If they aren't talking to themselves they are over the top aggressive. Police need level heads. There is no sense in justifying meth. It is not like pot. It is straight up poison that enduces madness or cardiac arrest eventually. Plus it cause people to grind their teeth down to nubs and pick at their skin. It is an awful epidemic.
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Originally posted by Derrick Barnicoat
"The certain few"? c'mon it's trucker crack. If they aren't talking to themselves they are over the top aggressive. Police need level heads. There is no sense in justifying meth. It is not like pot. It is straight up poison that enduces madness or cardiac arrest eventually. Plus it cause people to grind their teeth down to nubs and pick at their skin. It is an awful epidemic.
You do realize that the 100% statistical cause of the METH epidemic right here right now - is the very subject matter of this thread.
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Uruguay set to become first country to legalize marijuana trade--that is all the way from growing, buying and smoking.
http://news.yahoo.com/uruguay-become-fir...38668.html
Perhaps legalization will eliminate the need (profit) for federal or state drug enforcement. Could it happen in the U.S or Hawaii?
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Originally posted by Ken
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Originally posted by Derrick Barnicoat
"The certain few"? c'mon it's trucker crack. If they aren't talking to themselves they are over the top aggressive. Police need level heads. There is no sense in justifying meth. It is not like pot. It is straight up poison that enduces madness or cardiac arrest eventually. Plus it cause people to grind their teeth down to nubs and pick at their skin. It is an awful epidemic.
You do realize that the 100% statistical cause of the METH epidemic right here right now - is the very subject matter of this thread.
How exactly do you mean? Are you saying the drug war against marijuana is turning people to produce and use meth?
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For once I agree with D2K.
The reality is: (at least some) people want to get high. This behavior can be seen throughout the animal kingdom: most intelligent creatures have some kind of "getting high". It's a natural thing.
Yes, addiction is a problem, the severity of which varies with the particular drugs. (This is actually a medical issue and should be dealt with as such, but that's another discussion entirely.)
People will get high with whatever is easily obtained at a reasonable price. Eradicate one, and something else will take its place.
Consider the options: Weed is generally less harmful to the user, its production has limited environmental impact, and its "marketplace" tends towards networks-of-friends who deal in small quantities of boutique varietals. Meth permanently rewires the brain, poisons the manufacturing site with a toxic soup, and requires the support of a heavily armed cartel to arrange the large-scale production and international transportation.
Which one do you want in your community?
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Originally posted by Ken
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Originally posted by Derrick Barnicoat
"The certain few"? c'mon it's trucker crack. If they aren't talking to themselves they are over the top aggressive. Police need level heads. There is no sense in justifying meth. It is not like pot. It is straight up poison that enduces madness or cardiac arrest eventually. Plus it cause people to grind their teeth down to nubs and pick at their skin. It is an awful epidemic.
You do realize that the 100% statistical cause of the METH epidemic right here right now - is the very subject matter of this thread.
You do realize that is complete and utter BS right? If anything alcohol is more of the subject matter, not pot. They have proven there is zero basis for the "gateway drug theory" its right up there with "trickle down theory". Alcohol is far easier and cheaper to get, but then again they say that starts with cigarettes.. Actually it starts with LIFE.
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Originally posted by kalakoa
For once I agree with D2K.
The reality is: (at least some) people want to get high. This behavior can be seen throughout the animal kingdom: most intelligent creatures have some kind of "getting high". It's a natural thing.
Yes, addiction is a problem, the severity of which varies with the particular drugs. (This is actually a medical issue and should be dealt with as such, but that's another discussion entirely.)
People will get high with whatever is easily obtained at a reasonable price. Eradicate one, and something else will take its place.
Consider the options: Weed is generally less harmful to the user, its production has limited environmental impact, and its "marketplace" tends towards networks-of-friends who deal in small quantities of boutique varietals. Meth permanently rewires the brain, poisons the manufacturing site with a toxic soup, and requires the support of a heavily armed cartel to arrange the large-scale production and international transportation.
Which one do you want in your community?
You know what by your logic then there should be a glue sniffing epidemic, easy to obtain, cheap, etc. Hey pcp is cheap, lsd is cheap but it isn't catching on like meth. It is what the drug does in relation to what the user is looking for that actually determines the market for any specific drug. There is always something cheaper to get loaded on and the cheapest thing is not always the most popular. I mean if you hold your breath long enough you could get really high and that is free but it hasn't caught on like meth or tobacco.
It is not one or the other. Ice and pot are not interchangeable. It is a stretch to think that they are even related to each other, as far as the sensations obtained from each. As if, potheads would turn to meth because pot was being cracked down on. Pot is being cracked down on and potheads still smoke pot. Pot smokers aren't trying to stay up for weeks. They are interested in having a laugh and relaxing. There are all kinds of ways to get high but they are not interchangeable nor are they all addictive for the same reasons. I won't start denying some people get addicted to weed but it is a psychological emotional issue it is not a full blown physical addiction like heroin, crack, alcohol or meth.
Or perhaps you are saying dealers and growers will turn to meth production which is way off base as well. Dealing with pot smokers is a whole different ball game from dealing with meth addicts. Meth addicts don't sleep and thus will want meth at all hours. Meth addicts get aggressive and violent. Meth addicts steal from people. Not to mention, meth addicts die as opposed to marijuana which has not one reported death due to an overdose. So the meth dealer has a different conscience about what they do. They deal death. They kill people for money. Marijuana in the worst case scenario might cause a lazy bastard to be even lazier but it will never kill anyone like alcohol, heroin, crack, meth, tobacco, huffing glue etc.
Pot dealers/growers are not even in the drug business. The plant is food. It is hardly even processed just grown and dried.
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Originally posted by Ken
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Originally posted by Derrick Barnicoat
"The certain few"? c'mon it's trucker crack. If they aren't talking to themselves they are over the top aggressive. Police need level heads. There is no sense in justifying meth. It is not like pot. It is straight up poison that enduces madness or cardiac arrest eventually. Plus it cause people to grind their teeth down to nubs and pick at their skin. It is an awful epidemic.
You do realize that the 100% statistical cause of the METH epidemic right here right now - is the very subject matter of this thread.
You do realize that is complete and utter BS right? If anything alcohol is more of the subject matter, not pot. They have proven there is zero basis for the "gateway drug theory" its right up there with "trickle down theory". Alcohol is far easier and cheaper to get, but then again they say that starts with cigarettes.. Actually it starts with LIFE.
You should actually do a bit of research on the topic.
You would find it's not total BS, you would find it's the truth.
GREEN HARVEST has a direct cause and effect relationship to this States METH problems 100%
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ONE of the causes? I'll buy that. 100% cause-effect relationship? Rarely does anything like this have a single cause. But I get the point.
Also note that anyone who has ever tried pot started out drinking milk as an infant. Therefore, milk is the gateway drug!
Tim
A superior man is modest in his speech, but exceeds in his actions--Confucius
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