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Ohia Ash shown to Improve Ohia Health
#51
Yup, sleep deprivation and tangential thinking, good times. Redo.
To answer your question Tom with an example:

Dr Friday said in a previous response that he did not think that the OWA experiment would work to deter AB from MP. He felt confident enough to put this in writing, (without a lick of investigation to back up his assertion.) Not very scientific, yet packing the punch of one in authority.

The elusive dots to which I refer are as follows.
Ecological function of fire on forests....all creatures abhor fire or signs of fire....ash as such could be assumed to be an insect repellent....but we don't need assumptions because we have chemistry: ash when mixed with rainwater becomes light solution of KOH which when interacting with fats saponifies....insect larvae are known to shield in a biofilm which is a fat...ash is insecticide....ash contains phosphorous, potassium, magnesium, ie, tree food..... plus calcium to counteract acidity in soil due to vog; fungal pathogen can't thrive in alkali... so the tree not only gets medecine, a repellant but also an IV.

Dr Friday failed to connect the dots, even when he was handed the beginning and the end of the equation, but he is in good company because no one else in the scientific community did either.

I believe I was only able to see what I feel is obvious because I spent most days in the forest for two years. It took me a while to see that the trees were communicating with me. Wonderful forest. To paraphrase a great herbalist (de Bairicli Levy/ thanks Erzi!), when speaking about caged animals,

we have been separated from our kinship with nature.

Ask yourself these questions: Do you grow your own food or know anything first hand about soils? Do you butcher your own meat, care or tend for animals other than house cats? Do you possess hand tools that can aid you in chopping wood? Do you even notice trees unless they are having a mass die off? Do you know their planetary function and absolute necessity to human survival? Do you realize how unique and magical the Ohia are here on the on the side of this active volcano? What other tree can grow out of barren lava?
If you answered no to any of these questions it is likely you are separated from your kinship with the nature of this fierce land. Yoga retreats just don't count.

While I am not suggesting we go back to living in caves, it is clear that some of the more vital (natural world) survival skills that we all once shared out of necessity have given way to a culture of dependence. Needing to and knowing how to connect with the earth was systematically erased on the mainland. Native Americans dismissed as savages and butchered, while European female herbalists were burned at the stake for being healers. This is powerful training to indenture ourselves to a system of dependence. Kind of sounds like slavery. Let's hope we don't find the proof of this in food shortages. It is interesting that you equate old ways with poison when modern fertilizers made from the same synthetic nitrates, as mustard gas and resultant overpopulation, are actually poisonous to whole ecologies. "Omnivores Dillemna" by M. Pollan. Read it.

I didn't mean to put down the general scientific community (as arbiters of conventional wisdom) because they seem truly bound to specific rules of methodology and other political vacuums, but it is irresponsible to give carte blanche to synthetics pushers when so much in nature works unrefined. An example, while synthetic fertilizers have allowed for 3 out of 5 people to be alive today (Pollan), planetary functions cannot bear up under the added burden.

Speaking of knowledge, read this blurb on Ambrosia beetles:
http://www.thetreegeek.com/problems/ambrosia-beetle/
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#52
know anything about soils? ...planetary function....Yoga retreats....European female herbalists...petroleum products...

ohiagrrl, if one of your points is that scientists don't have all the answers, I think as a group they'd be the first to agree with you. Sometimes non-scientists don't have the answers either, they are just as capable of getting it right or wrong.

Let's say your ideas about ohia ash are correct. If you burn diseased wood in place (as it's currently recommended not to move diseased trees) you could conduct your tests as thoroughly as if you did cut and move logs, but with minimal risk of spreading the fungus. Just disinfect your boots and saws.

However, if your initial results are promising but not proven, and you and others start moving untreated ohia wood around the island to burn areas because you're convinced your theory is correct even before you have 100% certainty, you run the risk of spreading ROD if it turns out sawdust is a serious transmission vector. Yes, you can spray the sawdust, treat log ends, etc, but I've cut wood to heat my home for over 15 years and I can tell you without a doubt, you are not going to get it all. Wind, boots, pant cuffs, dust, it doesn't drop neatly into one easily treatable pile.*

I think you have a good idea, and should pursue further tests. The regulations in place don't prevent you from doing so.

Edited to add:
* Most people would use a chainsaw to cut up sections of tree trunks. Sawdust from the chain can easily be thrown 10 feet in front of, and behind the cut when going full throttle. I did much of my wood cutting in the snow, which allows the length and breadth of the trails to readily and accurately be seen both directions.
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
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#53
Hello HOT.. No one has moved any wood from my property. I have not recommended anyone do so as protocol. Why would anyone have to? On a half acre you can have hundreds of trees in varying sates of repair. No one wants to work that hard. LOL! However it is clear via your repeated posts that you are more passionate about this issue than I. From my understanding while the moving ban is a good first step, it could only ever be a temporary measure. In order to win more than just a battle with an infestation, broad stroke treatments are required. If my assertion that flavoring the Ohia with it's own natural repellent (created through he medium of fire) is correct, than moving wood should be a moot point, as it has been seen post treatment on our parcel. Right now the issue of moving Ohia logs is more of a theoretical argument. Like I said, who has the time?

Re: your sawdust pattern, fungal pathogens thrive in dark wet environs, the more air and sunlight exposure, probably the better for neutralizing the CF.

Unlike local scientists, I am not claiming primacy in my field. If I am calling those folks out it is because of their total lack of open mindedness regarding this natural solution. (I did offer it to them a year ago, more lost time.) Anyone retaining a governmental grant or research budget for a specific issue should expect to be held to higher standards. While I was raised in a scientific community, I do not believe that Academia holds any exclusive rights to critical thinking. The rest of us get fired if we don't succeed. What I AM doing is sharing information with my community members who desire some assistance and are getting none from the traditional arbiters of knowledge. I have experienced a lot of community delight because this resonates with my "boots on the ground" sisters and brothers (as well as with my trees which are practically singing.) To me, it is they who will be the true test of this initiative.

That being said, the CEO of a locally respected NGO is threatening to create an experiment that could be considered more palatable to the establishment.

Congrats to all the organizers of the Women's March in Hilo today! Rain or shine, getting it done. Respect!
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#54
[quote]Originally posted by ohiagrrl

Hello HOT.. No one has moved any wood from my property. I have not recommended anyone do so as protocol. However it is clear via your repeated posts that you are more passionate about this issue than I. From my understanding while the moving ban is a good first step, it could only ever be a temporary measure. In order to win more than just a battle with an infestation, broad stroke treatments are required. If my assertion that flavoring the Ohia with it's own natural repellent (created through he medium of fire) is correct, than moving wood should be a moot point. It has been on our parcel of land.

Unlike local scientists, I am not claiming primacy in my field. If I am calling those folks out it is because of their total lack of open mindedness regarding this natural solution. (I did offer it to them a year ago, more lost time.) Anyone retaining a governmental grant or research budget for a specific issue should expect to be held to higher standards. While I was raised in a scientific community, I do not believe that Academia holds any exclusive rights to critical thinking. The rest of us get fired if we don't succeed. What I AM doing is sharing information with my community members who desire some assistance and are getting none from the traditional arbiters of knowledge. I have experienced a lot of community delight because this resonates with my "boots on the ground" sisters and brothers (as well as with my trees which are practically singing.) To me, it is they who will be the true test of this initiative.

That being said, the CEO of a locally respected NGO is threatening to create an experiment that could be considered more palatable to the establishment.

Congrats to all the organizers of the Women's March in Hilo today! Rain or shine, getting it done. Respect!

Ohiagrrl,
Any chance of knowing who the locally respected NGO is and what the experiment is?
Its good to have the scientific community giving their knowledge however slow it is and persons such as yourself working on it in your own way.
There usually is always a conflict between all sides of an issue that is not resolved. If only we could throw a couple of handfuls of ash on humans with good results.
Slow Walker
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#55
"If you answered no to any of these questions it is likely you are separated from your kinship with the nature of this fierce land. Yoga retreats just don't count."

I try not to stereotype people or construct straw man arguments, so forgive me for not helping you do those things by answering your questions.
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#56
SW..... If only! Thanks for your support but I notice that you post anonymously as do I, so no, I'm not going to expose my supporters to scrutiny before they even get anything up and running. Let's just say that credibility is not an issue. There's other exciting potential pilot programs happening but also too soon to brag about.

TomK.... Modern conveniences are a powerful addiction but maybe even more ill advised in the coming years than they have been in the past. If one lacks first hand experience working the land, doing anything mechanical, (other than rebooting one's computer), it's hard to see the importance of it all, but may end up putting one at a burdensome disadvantage. The sad part is we live somewhere where we are able to do all these things, fairly unimpeded and many don't value the ability. But make no mistake we are dependent on a way of life that may disappear for a while. Put your feelings of being stereotyped aside and learn how to be of service to yourself and others so that you have something to barter with. By "Straw Man argument" you appear to imply some motive other than what the words say. Truly it is your loss. This ROD blight is happening concurrently with others worldwide, we can only expect to see more in this warming climate. Monoculture food crops are fragile, soils may be completely depleted worldwide in 60 years, fuel sources under siege. Baton down your hatches, stock your stores, grow your gardens, feed your trees, educate your kids....unnerving times, these.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...human-life
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#57
Another Doomer. They come and go a lot in Hawaii. I think our last resident Prepper has moved to Canada.

I've been hearing that the world as we know it is about to end for a very long time now.
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#58
Since ROD is a fungus, don't birds and pigs transmit it? Let's ban them from moving around.
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#59
Yeah LDude let's ban the Ambrosia Beetle! So precious all these educated 'fuss buckets' trying to clean and manage dirt w Q-tips and spray bottles, shoe diapers. LOL!


PaulW, another addict defends their right to hot pockets and porn. Learn a skill. Don't be a burden. I learned how to throw a punch a Ka'u high decades ago. No better training for dealing with internet trolls, Tita style.
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#60
LeilaniDude,
after reading your post, my boyfriend said that he thought that the ROD first appeared on his property right after a pod of wild pig moved through. They are known to rout around and disrupt root structures. I have noticed that roots exposed to knicks and cuts from weed whackers puts healthy trees at risk of immediate exposure to infection. My belief is that the fungal pathogen is already everywhere in the soils and that vulnerabilities in roots and branches are the fastest way to activate the CF. Pig eradication is part of the job description for botanists on Maui. Pig eradication efforts should be considered protocol for fighting ROD here on Hawaii Island.

http://dlnr.hawaii.gov/huntered/files/20...hap123.pdf

Then you go make one smoke house, cook da pig and spread da ash. Aloha Kane and Jon!
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