Superferry shut down for good

[PaulW]

I'm not offended! This is just a friendly discussion. Who knows, maybe the military really did finance the company just so they could get cheap transportation. It's just that there is no proof of this, or at last that I've ever seen or read. I'm just sorry I didn't get to take a ride on the Superferry when I had the chance.

[gtill]

Now when you fly on Hawaiian, ship YB or Matson, you're contributing to the military as they all ship military cargo regularly. And in a military emergency Hawaiian loses many of it's pilots as they're AF Nat. Guard.

What this will do is keep any new companies from doing business here, and probably cause many to leave when the fed jacks our electric tax another 100$ a month.

[Devany]

As Rob might want to point out, this subject is really not relevant to any of us. The Super Ferry never even came here and it is unlikely that it ever will. I wish it was coming here, but we may as well "forgetaboutit".

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devany

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[Bob Orts]

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Originally posted by Devany

The Super Ferry never even came here and it is unlikely that it ever will.

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Yeah, that's a small point often omitted. Never has it ever been hidden that the HSF may have the ability to accommodate military transportation with the proper modifications. However, the military already stated they have their own transportation and would only use the HSF if an extraordinary situation arose. The HSF will be a civilian alternative transportation for the Big Island when it starts running here. The military using it will be just like the military buying tickets on Hawaiian Airline; just like the military paying lodging fees at local hotels; just like the military using local trucking companies to move supplies and equipment. Just like the many millions of dollars the military spends annually in the local community for services they use.

If the military decides to locate the Striker Brigade on the BI, they will come with or without the HSF. Nothing anyone can do will stop that. So if the HSF can become economically viable for civilian use by accommodating the military from time to time, why would that be a bad thing? I haven’t heard anyone on this board who see military funding conspiracy behind the HSF so much as said one word about Saddle Road. If military funding and use of military money is evil, they should also be calling for a stop to all construction on Saddle Road until the State & County taxpayers can afford to pay the cost. (Military appropriates has and will pay for 91% of all Saddle Road improvements). If they don't want military money going to pay for the use of the HSF, they should equally not want military money going for the funding of road improvements. Of course, it could be a double standard, military money is good only if it's for something they will enjoy and use, but its bad if they won't use it regardless of the benefit to others.

[gtill]

We squack about no agriculture on the island, and when somthing comes along to abet that enterprise, people turn against it, no more crying about no fresh produce! Or is just enough vegetables to supply the islands fine resterants all we need?

I'm waiting for Richards Ha's take on this.

A further point, the superferry in time of need (like Mauna Loa coming down into Hilo like it did in the 1800s, Kilaeua going through HPP like it was headed or a major Tsunami hitting any harbor, or the massive crack part way up Mauna Kea opens up and landslides bury Hamakusa coast), no other marine vessel could get near the coasts let alone put out a ramp like SF.

[Rob Tucker]

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Originally posted by Devany

As Rob might want to point out, this subject is really not relevant to any of us. The Super Ferry never even came here and it is unlikely that it ever will. I wish it was coming here, but we may as well "forgetaboutit".

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Not wanting to be contrary but the SF is a very Hawaiian subject and the implications and manner of it's process though the legislature and governor's mansion speak loudly to issues we all have to live with.

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[Hotzcatz]

Perhaps we could get some replica "Kilauea's" out there. Wasn't she the last successful long term inter-island ferry service? Not exactly a "fast" ferry but very environmentally friendly.

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[gtill]

Nope, we've just committed ourselves to the ultimate corporate monopoly that is slow and much worse for spreading invasive species (basically they are responsible for all invasive species, as a Monopoly they have brought them all here). Young Brothers should be held responsible for Coqui and all the rest, SF did a much better job of checking vehicles.

But I guess paying twice as much to send everything at a canoe pace is cool for many of us!

[dakine]

maybe if those that want it all and want it now and want it cheap were to go back to the mainland everyone would be happy. the arguments for the SF all seem to be based on the 'american' way of life, which for the most part is the problem, not the solution

[Sean]

Ummmm, Dakine, I'm for the SF as I saw in it a means for Big Island farmers to have another means of selling their produce. I know of a farmer who would love to have a larger market to sell to than just a local wholesaler. The local wholesaler has prevented the farmer from selling direct by telling at least one potential buyer it's either the wholesaler or the farmer, not both.

So, I guess from reading your response then we can keep the folks here who want some of it and want it later and want to pay a lot for what they get?

My neighbor, 4 houses down from me was cleaned out late Wednesday/early Thursday. I guess those people wanted it all, wanted it now and really wanted it cheap. Please try not to throw all of us off the island who would like lower prices and increased jobs -some of us were born here also.

aloha,

Sean