Pahoa drone pilot tased in Volcanoes Natl Park

[kander]

Well Im sure any real officer would respect Kapoho Joe's first amendment right to say what he does. Deflection from the problem will not make it go away. The problem is we have paramilitary training a shoot first let god sort them out later problem and its getting rampant everywhere.

I have to say the regular police department here is about as patient as I have ever seen when dealing with criminals. It doesn't seem too difficult for Hawaii police officers to measure out appropriate response to the situation at hand.

[dmbwest]

I lightly tazed myself drilling " just a couple more " holes as it started to rain tonight.

aloha,
pog

[mmbvd7]

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Originally posted by pog

"No one was in danger!"

How do you know that Jim ?

Its a new age Jim, and I venture unlike the one you grew up in.

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I have a friend that is now Captain on a police force outside of Nashville, Tennessee. She says about her job, "we just want to be alive at the end of the day". I will agree, if someone in authority yells "stop!", and the person does not follow that simple one word command, then they are unpredictable.

With that one act of unpredictable behavior, what could be next? There can be all sorts of possibilities thrown out, but not following that one word command (by someone in authority) pretty much opened himself up to "force" being used in this situation.

If the guy was flying his drone and told to stop and said "let me bring it in", and got tased...possibly excessive force. Thing is...could also be seen as threat not to stop immediately. Why? Boston Marathon popped into my head...nobody was expecting an explosion that day. What about all the times people have to throw away drinks, large tubes of toothpaste, and/or hair products at the airport?

Yes Pog, we live in a different world now. Small cities even find "cells". Although I would like to think highly doubtful anything like that would happen in this beautiful place, we do live in a cruel world. I think 9/11 changed the mentality of law enforcement and how it seems we have to be on guard.

In stating all this, by no means am I saying he was/is a terrorist, but I agree that the world has changed...as well as reactions by law enforcement.

Although some may think this might be a bit inappropriate, this kind of sums up what should be done to avoid problems such as excessive force by the authorities....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8


Best wishes

[Lodestone]

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Originally posted by mmbvd7

Although some may think this might be a bit inappropriate, this kind of sums up what should be done to avoid problems such as excessive force by the authorities....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

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One of my all-time favorite clips. The wife frequently cracks me up by screeching "HE GOT WEED" when spotting one of our public servants.

[jackson]

In Travis' own words, Travis Sanders: "Before identifying himself the Ranger shouted commands and his confrontational demeanor had me thinking he was a big thug looking to start a fight. I shut him out of my mind and wanted to get me and my toy to a safe place. I didn't know he was a ranger. There was no wind and it was in beginners mode. The entry booth to the park was not in operation after a certain time of day therefore they did not distribute any pamphlet with any rules or collect any entry fee. I did not go to the park to fly. I went to the park to witness the most spectacular boiling Volcano from the museum which sits right on the edge of the boiling craters rim . I was simply wanting to play with it for a minute or less and that's all. I had already gone up to 30 feet and back down in front of other Rangers who had no problem with my toy and they even came to talk to me with politeness . I'm having a lot of people leaving comments on news feeds with misconceptions about my toy. They're thinking it's some kind of missile caring military device that has giant swinging machetes on it chopping people's heads off. Hey guys what I hope you to understand is the tiny size of this thing. And about the ridiculousness of there being deadly danger. I was not threatening anyone nor was I in dangering the crowd. Tasers kill people often. A paper airplane sized toy does not. He knew it was a tiny toy he watched me put it in my pocket. He shot the Taser into the crowd in the dark missing my body but snagging my clothes on my left. Please let's leave my charges for debate in trial. We both could have made different decisions that could have made a better outcome. The public did not deserve the risk of being tasered. Nor did I deserve being put in federal prison. Here is a link to the Facebook comment section for this article."
Unfortunately for Travis he incriminates himself here. He said he ran because he was afraid. In a news article he is quoted as saying, "I told him I had no ID and fled".
So in his own words he ran After the ranger identified himself as law enforcement. And if he were afraid of a thug in the park beating him up, why would he say I have no ID? Numerous witnesses also talk about a confrontational Travis who was cocky and trying to get the crowd on his side. He was well aware he was dealing with law enforcement and not some thug. Now he's going on national news and crying about his daughter trying to gain sympathy. This is going to seriously backfire on him. i hope he is smart enough to take whatever plea deal they offer him.

[Kapoho Joe]

if he gets a plea offer. federal court isnt known for being nice.

[rainyjim]

So in his own words he ran After the ranger identified himself as law enforcement.

In Travis' own words, Travis Sanders: "Before identifying himself the Ranger shouted commands and his confrontational demeanor had me thinking he was a big thug looking to start a fight.

I didn't know he was a ranger.

I might be missing something here Jackson... but per your own post I don't see the correlation you do.

Anyways, I don't really care about Travis or what happens to him - he obviously broke the law - i'm more concerned about the Park Ranger who thought it was an appropriate time to use a taser.

I am having trouble believing there is no video footage of the event. With the ongoing lava spectacle there must have been people recording and with the huge crowd of people evidently present I would suspect the former even more so.

and as for mmbvd7

I don't get how you can turn this around into a 9/11 spin of justification for excessive use of force.

9/11 doesn't justify violence or excessive violence. I feel sorry for all of you people who think violence is a necessity of the world we live in. There are other options available. Especially in Hawai'i. Especially in Hawai'i Volcanoes National Park. Especially when someones back is turned.

I wonder if this excessive use of violence in a sacred area like Halemaumau violates any of the hawaiian soveriengty peoples principles. Maybe not if you are caucasian.

[leilanidude]

Who drove the guy to the park? He says he didn't have an ID on him.

[ironyak]

Courts have found that tasering may not be justified while enforcing a minor law and someone attempts to flee.
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Ju...813401.php

There are a lot of parallels between these incidents and they don't support the "comply or else" argument.

[PunaMauka2]

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Originally posted by ironyak

Courts have found that tasering may not be justified while enforcing a minor law and someone attempts to flee.
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Ju...813401.php

There are a lot of parallels between these incidents and they don't support the "comply or else" argument.

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gotta admit an impressive find. almost uncanny in it's potential relevance.