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Waste Incinerator Proposed For NELHA
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12-13-2007, 12:19 PM
quote: I provided you some links that you can explore on your own. But overall why should I say anything more, you'll just rebut it. You kind of cut the head off the snake with your tirades. It particularly doesn't help that you accused me of being a NIMBY. When you don't fully understand why.
12-13-2007, 12:26 PM
You can be a believer in Aquaculture anywhere in the world.
Aaron you keep mentioning these 30 companies that may be effected. Do you have any data on where most of the Employees of these companies have come from? Think about it. What new business wouldn't want to start up in Kona? Even if you could give me a list of say 10 of the companies and where they were originally funded from would be a very interesting link to follow. Another question? Would you move if the place went up? Or would eventually grow to accept it as part of your life. You keep mentioning the eyesore that it might be for the Airport. Do you realize how close the Landfill in Hilo is to their Airport? Just simple questions? ----------------- Coming home soon! Edited by - damon on 12/13/2007 16:53:39
12-13-2007, 12:30 PM
quote: Question Rob. Then what location on the Big Island would you propose? I say for the Big Island it's an excellent place. Think about the possible smell and emissions that might come from it. Put it in Kona and let the Kona winds take the smell over to Oahu  Put it on the East Side of the Island, the Entire Island catches Whiffs (just as the Kona people are always complaining about the Vog and that's a fricking Natural pollutant) ----------------- Coming home soon!
12-13-2007, 01:03 PM
Waste incineration has no place on this beautiful island. That should answer your question succinctly, Damon
Edited by - Aaron S on 12/13/2007 17:03:53
12-13-2007, 01:14 PM
quote: Not with a waste incinerator quote: If you bothered to look at the link I showed you, you'd find this. http://www.nelha.org/tenants/precommercial.html http://www.nelha.org/tenants/commercial.html http://www.nelha.org/tenants/research.html http://www.nelha.org/tenants/educational.html quote: You can always e-mail ronb (at) nelha.org if you want to know. quote: I can't move because its way to expensive to move anywhere else here in Kona. There is no way I can accept this facility being built at this location. quote: I've been over to Hilo many times. Never once I've seen the landfill from the airport. If this facility gets built, it will be exposed to everyone driving on Queen Kaahumanu and flying into the airport. Not a good first impression for Kona. I encourage you to visit NELHA. Then you'll better understand why this a poor location.
12-13-2007, 01:21 PM
I'm not sure how strong HCC 20-36 would be. It specifically states disposing at County solid waste facilities, not at private business ventures. I understood it to mean prevent the importing of off island trash for disposal at county landfills.
The second issue is the law universally covers anything thrown away, including recyclable material. But what happens when that trash is sorted into a usable commodity like glass, plastics, cardboard, etc. Although they may have originated as trash, they were turned into a commodity for sale. If a WTE incinerator (as a private venture) is turning trash into packaged fuel off island and importing fuel, the current laws seem to remain silent on that. There's nothing in Chapter 20 that exempts recyclable material from not being defined as trash. But, we all know it's standard business practice and is not in violation of law. So it appears when the material is converted into a salable product, it's not trash any longer. Now, I'm not saying it's right or wrong to do this, just that we accept it in so many other industries, why wouldn't energy production expect the same?
12-13-2007, 01:26 PM
quote: I can't move because its way to expensive to move anywhere else here in Kona. There is no way I can accept this facility being built at this location. Aaron - Kona is one of the most expensive places in the world to live. If you can live there, you can live anywhere. You may have to commute to get to work just as many people in East Hawaii have too, but that's just how life is if things bother you so much. It's called the pluses and minuses of living in Paradise. You think I like living over here next to the Ala Wai canal. You do remember the Raw Sewage spill that still to this day affects my small little community over here. And yes, we did have someone lose there life because of the pollution from it. I say if the proposal does go through, you may have to move. Simple facts of life suck sometimes. I do feel sorry for you. Don't get me wrong. I feel sorry for you in the same way I feel for the residents throughout Oahu who had their communities split up by a Huge Freeway system. Things have to happen. Realize you have only lived there 31 years. That's not really that much time if you think about it. Hopefully the proposal doesn't go through....yeah? But if it does, then what happens? ----------------- Coming home soon! Edited by - damon on 12/13/2007 17:53:19
12-13-2007, 02:44 PM
Someone asked me to actually check out the NELHA website.
This website has so many grammatical errors it's almost a comedy routine... and I just scanned the site briefly. http://www.nelha.org/about/history.html So I go to the site and see this: "In 1981, shore-based OTEC research began with a project testing biofouling and corrosion countermeasures for the closed cycle OTEC process." So what is biofouling? The spacing in countermeasures...etc. Very poor. Next link... http://www.nelha.org/tenants/commercial.html I just checked it out...Doesn't look like too many local companies to me? Looks like NELHA is a bunch of foreign companies making money off of Hawaiian land if you ask me. I can't take my time deciphering all the errors in the site.... geez... who put that thing together....? ----------------- Coming home soon! Edited by - damon on 12/13/2007 18:48:24
12-13-2007, 03:07 PM
And some more revealing info, and remember Aaron you asked me to look.
Pursuant to Chapter 227D, Hawaii Revised Statutes, as amended, NELHA's purpose is to "facilitate research, development, and commercialization of natural energy resources and ocean-related research, technology, and industry in Hawaii and to engage in retail, commercial, or tourism activities that will financially support that research, development and commercialization..." Therefore, any project which can contribute to such development may be appropriate tenant enterprises, subject to NELHA approval. Scary huh... ANY PROJECT Sounds like the possibility of this incinerator fits right in with the Hawaii Revised Statutes. (goes down as one of those be careful of what you ask for moments...) If I'm reading this wrong... someone please tell me. ----------------- Coming home soon! Edited by - damon on 12/13/2007 19:09:52
12-13-2007, 03:44 PM
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...HCC 20-36 ... states disposing at County solid waste facilities, not at private business ventures." Very good point. Of course, any private operation must get various County (and state Health Dept) approvals." "...prevent the importing of off island trash for disposal at county landfills." The operative term is "County solid waste facilities" -- as defined in HCC 20. "... when that trash is sorted into a usable commodity...originated as trash... turned into a commodity for sale." Agreed, HCC 20 may leave a loophole there. "...incinerator (as a private venture) is turning trash into packaged fuel off island and importing fuel..." Maybe. However, this is not what is proposed in Kona or Hilo. In Kona, the rubbish is converted to RDF = refuse derived fuel. Conver Honolulu's rubbish into RDF and burn it in Kona? Now legally possible. Would it ever make sense? Burning resources our children will need does not make sense to me under any circumstances, and that is what incineration does. "...nothing in Chapter 20 that exempts recyclable material from not being defined as trash." Right again. In fact, the definition of rubbish allows for recyclable materials to be put in the landfill. "...when the material is converted into a salable product, it's not trash any longer." True. So, HCC 20 doesn't prevent our island from being a garbage depository (so that when something is to be "thrown away", one will not need to ask, "Where is away?" Rather, it will be known: Hawaii Island. Yuck. What to do? Amend HCC 20 to keep others' garbage off our island and to make less garbage on our island. James Weatherford, Ph.D. 15-1888 Hialoa Hawaiian Paradise Park |
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