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Don't buses use a lot less gas than helicopters? So they shorten the helicopter portion a few minutes so the fuel costs even out. I'm sure the orchid place and some of the other stops along the way can give them some kickbacks as well. With a few tweaks to their business model the "new" operation might actually be more profitable. The bus driver, tour guide, or recorded spiel / talk story on the bus ride can be part of the "charm". They are required to give a pre-flight safety briefing anyway. All part of the bus ride. There is a tour bus that stops at the Lava Rock Cafe and everybody gets off and eats. There are already tour bus operations going up there. So put them on a helicopter.
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Leilanidude - your comment was this:
"Will forcing them to fly over the ocean make it so that more people hear the helicopters than do now? Not only does the sound carry further over water than over forested areas, more people live near the coast than in some of the remote subdivisions that they fly over now."
Right now, the tour companies fly directly over both coastal and inland communities. To say that flying farther offshore will actually increase the noise impact for those on the coast is incorrect; it's physically impossible.
Edited wording.
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A writer named Samuel Clemens visited the Volcano House in the 1860s. Wonder how long it took folks to make the trip to Volcano in those days. I think they accepted a journey as a matter of course. Now people fret if a trip take an extra 45 minutes or an hour.
Seems we are on a never-ending race or drive to meet the visitor's industry latest demands. Always need to do more, do things faster, expand this or that. It is not going to work out well in the long run. Too many cars, too many machines flying overhead, too many buildings, too much civilization. The Hawaiian islands--even our island--are not that large. It will become evident in the not-to-distant future.
Puna was a long a refuge. Place with too much rain. No beaches to speak of. Sort of an out-of-the-way corner of Hawaii. Place for people with eccentric views such as: Let's grow some of our own food and live in a modest house. Let's keep most stores in Hilo; we are fine going to town only once or twice a month. And No we do not need our red road widened. Because you know what is coming: Pro-development people.
People who want for Puna the same level of civilization as in most of the rest of Hawaii: Kona, most of Maui, all of Oahu. More of everything. Seems kind of odd that they chose Puna. But they did. Sigh.
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we are fine going to town only once or twice a month
I didn't realize that was part of the program. No wonder it takes so long to get anything done here.
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It shouldn't be so difficult to understand for such a highly educated person such as yourself, glindakine.
Helicopters taking off from Volcano don't have to travel over much of Puna to get to the lava.
If they take off from Hilo Airport, then they fly over populated parts of Hilo and Puna.
If NIMBYs sych as yourself manage to close down the helipad in Volcano so that the choppers have to come from Hilo then....
I'm sure you can figure out the rest with your high level of education. I'm just a dumb builder from California though I am an expert in predicting earthquakes.
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People who want for Puna the same... as in most of the rest of Hawaii: Kona... Maui... Oahu. More of everything. Seems kind of odd that they chose Puna.
Isn't there some middle ground?
For instance, if Puna neighborhoods each had conveniently located, reasonable priced shopping area for the most basic necessities like food, gas, and household supplies, there would be less traffic on the road to Hilo. With a little more development allowed in designated Puna shopping areas the number of trips needed to Pahoa, Keaau, and especially Hilo could be reduced, making further expansion to Highway 130, Red Road, etc. unnecessary.
Oahu level pro-development residents or businesses won't be encouraged to move into a Puna District with a few more grocery stores. They want entertainment, night life, and Ala Moana size shopping centers. Not three KTAs, and a single crappy road that takes a decade to build.
Perfect citizens: Those who do not like cake, but have a passion for producing eggs, butter, sugar & milk.
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
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if Puna neighborhoods each had conveniently located, reasonable priced shopping area
It's too bad the fastest-growing and highest-density subdivision doesn't have blocks of space pre-allocated for such a thing.
less traffic on the road to Hilo
Commuters, too: that shopping area will employ people. Who might be commuting from Hilo. There's probably a few people who would rather live in Puna, but for the commute.
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Right now, the tour companies fly directly over both coastal and inland communities. To say that flying farther offshore will actually increase the noise impact for those on the coast is incorrect; it's physically impossible.
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I didn't say that they would be flying further offshore!
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those that get all their pleasure from witnessing commerce rather than enjoying the peace and serenity
Not mutually exclusive.
For about the hundredth time, meaningful land-use paradigms (both transparency and enforcement) make it possible to know in advance, and plan accordingly.
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quote:
Originally posted by kalakoa
those that get all their pleasure from witnessing commerce rather than enjoying the peace and serenity
Not mutually exclusive.
For about the hundredth time, meaningful land-use paradigms (both transparency and enforcement) make it possible to know in advance, and plan accordingly.
I received no such notice of future overflights when I purchased my property. Sounds like a disclosure whose time has come.
