Crimes I've just heard of

[PaulW]

I think this thread gives examples enough why you don't want to be handing out more gun permits here.

[kalakoa]

I'm all for more prisons. I'm even for helping to pay for them.

More prisons means more crime. Is that really how you want to live?

[Eric1600]

I see these crime discussions so much on this board and the facebook page. PaulW is right. Let's not get hysterical. There is a new scientific paper which I feel addresses some of this both on the punaweb scale as well as national politics.


Fear of crime is contagious, even in low crime communities

12 July 2017

Fear of crime is perpetuated by the opinion of others, and often doesn’t correlate to the actual likelihood of experiencing crime, according to new UCL research.
Fear of crime is contagious, even in low crime communities

The findings of the study, published in Proceedings of the Royal Society A, help to explain how a generalised fear of crime exists in cities and countries in which crime rates are low.

“The fear of crime can be considered contagious, because social interaction is the mechanism through which fear is shared and chronically worried populations are created. Even those that have never been a victim of crime can be seriously worried about it,” said study lead Rafael Prieto Curiel (UCL Mathematics).

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http://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/...rime-maths

[MarkD]

Good discussion here. The only real solution is the GPS ankle bracelets. The technology gets cheaper each year. Could be mostly automated.

There are civil libertarian concerns because they will eventually lead to--as we know--implants in the forearm that do the same thing.

Widespread use of the bracelets is inevitable, but some folks will delay it.

Interesting how the original ankle monitors that used to keep people at home--a technology some 25 years old--were widely welcomed. So it is OK to use the bracelets to keep a prisoner in house arrest, but not OK to use them for inmates being released from confinement to attend school or a work program?

One definition of a conservative: A liberal who has been mugged.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

civil libertarian concerns

Let the defendant decide:

1) Released with a GPS monitor
2) Prison

They could choose prison, which is acceptable to society, or a GPS monitor, which might be more acceptable to them as an individual.

Four people are in a room and seven leave. How many have to enter again before it's empty?

[Kenney]

Wow, I think this is the scariest thread I've ever read on PW.
I'm so sorry to hear of the invasion and wanton destruction of your home Geochem. Few occurrences can compare to such a loss.
Although I don't always agree with Glinda's solutions, I do understand what she means when she says burglary is on par with rape and murder.
Geochem's house and lifestyle was raped and murdered in my way of thinking.
It seems like we need to live in a prison of our own making in order to protect our homes, cars and selves.
This is really sad news. So much for the open door policy.

[knieft]

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Originally posted by PaulW

I think this thread gives examples enough why you don't want to be handing out more gun permits here.

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How so?

Cheers,
Kirt

[Tink]

I feel that if more permits are given, more murder charges will be filed. Technically, if you find someone ransacking your home and you shoot him or her, you will be charged with the minimum attempted murder charge, or maybe manslaughter. Technically, if a robber is in your house, only an attempted burglary charge is most they can get, as the property never left the premises, or the parcel the home is on, even if the items are in his vehicle parked in your driveway.
They may initially arrest them on a burglary charge, but in the courts if they never took full possession as described in the books of law (left the premises with the goods), they never really stole it, just moved the items for you.
Is your flatscreen really worth that?

Community begins with Aloha

[PaulW]

How so? Read glindakine's repulsive fantasies on page 2 for starters.
To quote Homer, "Who made you Judge Judy and executioner?"

[birdmove]

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Originally posted by PaulW

I think this thread gives examples enough why you don't want to be handing out more gun permits here.

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Look up stats for US citizens WITH carry permits who misuse their firearms. November 1st, 1976, I had a thug smash his way into my house late at night. I had a carry permit, but this was IN my house. I used my firearm to handle the situation, and did it with the best possible results. The bad buy (one Fred Brotherson, who the cops new by name) was held at gunpoint till the police came and hauled him away. No shots fired. Didn't need to, as he played it smart and did not attack, and was not armed. Even if you are anti-gun, you can't ask for more than that. I guess I could have wrapped him up with Christmas wrapping paper and bow.

I suppose I could have just blasted him to meet his maker, but, guess what. Just because some of us want to be able to own a firearm, that doesn't mean we are going to go around blasting people.

Jon in Keaau/HPP